ending a sentance with "of"

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ending a sentance with "of"

Postby MissLucky » Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:58 pm

"...the type of community that I am looking to become a part of."

is it a grammatical faux-pas to end a sentence with "of" as in this example above? THANKS!

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby LSATclincher » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:03 pm

You need to write out the whole sentence

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby maf70 » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:04 pm

never end a sentence with a preposition.

maybe..."the type of community of which I am looking to become a part."

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby The Stig » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:04 pm

maf70 wrote:never end a sentence with a preposition.

maybe..."the type of community of which I am looking to become a part."


that's what I would suggest!

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby Nogameisfair » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:09 pm

maf70 wrote:never end a sentence with a preposition.

maybe..."the type of community of which I am looking to become a part."


Not true. It's ok to end a sentence in a preposition, particularly when it would make a sentence uncomfortable to say. For example no one would actually say, "the type of community of which I am looking to become a part." As long as the preposition isn't unnecessary, it's generally acceptable to put it at the end of a sentence.

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby 99.9luft » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:11 pm

Yes.

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby die Zauberflote » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:12 pm

maf70 wrote:never end a sentence with a preposition.


"This is the sort of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put."

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby NZA » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:14 pm

It's not grammatically incorrect, but it's poor style for formal writing.

ETA: Sentence, by the way.

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby swc65 » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:16 pm

die Zauberflote wrote:
maf70 wrote:never end a sentence with a preposition.


"This is the sort of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put."



I was waiting for someone to chime in with a variant of the Churchill quote.

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby MissLucky » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:21 pm

LSATclincher wrote:You need to write out the whole sentence


something along the lines of:

"Moreover, X Law School will offer me the type of [adjective] community and student culture that I am looking to become a part of."

and yea, I did try rewriting it to "Moreover, X Law School will offer me the type of [adjective] community and student culture of which I am looking to become a part."

but it sounds so stilted, no?

thanks a lot for the input...

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby NZA » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:23 pm

MissLucky wrote:
LSATclincher wrote:You need to write out the whole sentence


something along the lines of:

"Moreover, X Law School will offer me the type of [adjective] community and student culture that I am looking to become a part of."

and yea, I did try rewriting it to "Moreover, X Law School will offer me the type of [adjective] community and student culture of which I am looking to become a part."

but it sounds so stilted, no?

thanks a lot for the input...



Why not just, "Moreover, I am excited to be come a part of the community and school culture that X Law school offers."

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby MissLucky » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:28 pm

NZA wrote:
MissLucky wrote:
LSATclincher wrote:You need to write out the whole sentence


something along the lines of:

"Moreover, X Law School will offer me the type of [adjective] community and student culture that I am looking to become a part of."

and yea, I did try rewriting it to "Moreover, X Law School will offer me the type of [adjective] community and student culture of which I am looking to become a part."

but it sounds so stilted, no?

thanks a lot for the input...



Why not just, "Moreover, I am excited to be come a part of the community and school culture that X Law school offers."


thanks but that wouldnt fit into the context of it all (i wasn't fully complete in what I just provided)...it's more along the lines of:

"X Law will equip me with the tools to succeed in my work for _____ while also offering me the type of [adjective] community and student culture that I am looking to become a part of."

i could theortically cut it down into 2 sentances and start the second one off with your "morever, i am excited" but I use excited later on ....

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby cinephile » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:34 pm

There's only one preposition you can end a sentence with.

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby NZA » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:34 pm

MissLucky wrote:
NZA wrote:
MissLucky wrote:
LSATclincher wrote:You need to write out the whole sentence


something along the lines of:

"Moreover, X Law School will offer me the type of [adjective] community and student culture that I am looking to become a part of."

and yea, I did try rewriting it to "Moreover, X Law School will offer me the type of [adjective] community and student culture of which I am looking to become a part."

but it sounds so stilted, no?

thanks a lot for the input...



Why not just, "Moreover, I am excited to be come a part of the community and school culture that X Law school offers."


thanks but that wouldnt fit into the context of it all (i wasn't fully complete in what I just provided)...it's more along the lines of:

"X Law will equip me with the tools to succeed in my work for _____ while also offering me the type of [adjective] community and student culture that I am looking to become a part of."

i could theortically cut it down into 2 sentances and start the second one off with your "morever, i am excited" but I use excited later on ....


Haha! Okay, I see. well, I'd find a way to either cut it in two or combine them into one easier sentence. Something like, "X Law's classes, community and student culture will....in my work for ____."

Meh, I don't know. I'm a big fan of "KISS" when it comes to writing. :) Anyway, good luck!

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby MissLucky » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:35 pm

cinephile wrote:There's only one preposition you can end a sentence with.


har har har.

but really...thoughts on what I should do?

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby cinephile » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:41 pm

MissLucky wrote:
cinephile wrote:There's only one preposition you can end a sentence with.


har har har.

but really...thoughts on what I should do?


Seriously, I think it's fine to leave it like it is. But if you want you could always invert it and say ... and I wish to be a part of this type of community.

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby girlonfire » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:51 pm

maf70 wrote:never end a sentence with a preposition.

maybe..."the type of community of which I am looking to become a part."


TITCR.

but there are ways to better phrase this statement.

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby MissLucky » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:53 pm

girlonfire wrote:
maf70 wrote:never end a sentence with a preposition.

maybe..."the type of community of which I am looking to become a part."


TITCR.

but there are ways to better phrase this statement.


care to elaborate? :D thanks!

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby girlonfire » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:58 pm

MissLucky wrote:
girlonfire wrote:
maf70 wrote:never end a sentence with a preposition.

maybe..."the type of community of which I am looking to become a part."


TITCR.

but there are ways to better phrase this statement.


care to elaborate? :D thanks!


It just seems like the sentence is clunky to begin with. Maybe something like, "...the type of community I'd like to join," or "I seek to become part of this sort of community," would work better.

Little adjustments to difficult sentences can often make all the difference. If I come across a statement I have a hard time constructing, I rephrase it until I find something that is easy to say out loud, because then someone reading it will not trip over the sentence or get distracted by it.
Just a suggestion from an english major :D

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby Cupidity » Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:02 pm

How about "The type of community I'm looking to be a part of is one which..." reverse syntax.

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby quakeroats » Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:11 pm

MissLucky wrote:"...the type of community that I am looking to become a part of."

is it a grammatical faux-pas to end a sentence with "of" as in this example above? THANKS!


No, but you probably shouldn't because your reader may have been told it's improper to end a sentence with a preposition. They'd be mistaken, but most people learn the rules of English with pedantic little phrases, e.g., it's he and I, not him and me. These tend to be partially inaccurate or flat wrong. However, the object of those who insist is usually to signal their erudition rather than to express their good-faith issues with ambiguous, verbose, or poorly constructed sentences, so leave it out and move on.

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby kublaikahn » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:22 am

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby Veyron » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:30 am

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby quakeroats » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:22 pm

kublaikahn wrote:
MissLucky wrote:
girlonfire wrote:
maf70 wrote:never end a sentence with a preposition.

maybe..."the type of community of which I am looking to become a part."

TITCR.

but there are ways to better phrase this statement.


care to elaborate? :D thanks!


It just seems like the sentence is clunky to begin with. Maybe something like, "...the type of community I'd like to join," or "I seek to become part of this sort of community," would work better.

Little adjustments to difficult sentences can often make all the difference. If I come across a statement I have a hard time constructing, I rephrase it until I find something that is easy to say out loud, because then someone reading it will not trip over the sentence or get distracted by it.
Just a suggestion from an english major :D


It's considered colloquial and informal. And there is a risk that some AdCom somewhere may take issue. However, it is OKAY IF it is a common expression that becomes awkward when not said in a common way. For example, "I am seeking a law school that I can believe in, commit to, and become a part of." This probably would not read as well in this form: "I am seeking a law school in which I can believe, to which I can commit, and of which I can become a part".

So if you can find a formal way to say it, that still flows smoothly, you should. If not, may sure it reads quickly and easily.


It's only formal to those who haven't spent any time thinking about writing well:


"For a dogmatic Prescriptivist, "Where's it at?" is double-damned as a sentence that not only ends with a preposition but whose final preposition forms a redundancy with where that's similar to the redundancy in "the reason is because" (which latter usage I'll admit makes me dig my nails into my palms). Rejoinder: First off, the avoid-terminal-prepositions rule is the invention of one Fr. R. Lowth, an eighteenth-century British preacher and indurate pedant who did things like spend scores of pages arguing for hath over the trendy and degenerate has. The a.-t.-p. rule is antiquated and stupid and only the most ayatolloid SNOOT takes it seriously. Garner himself calls the rule "stuffy" and lists all kinds of useful constructions like "the man you were listening to" that we'd have to discard or distort if we really enforced it."

http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/D ... tense.html

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Re: ending a sentance with "of"

Postby kublaikahn » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:41 pm

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