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a little over two pages ok?

Postby unattended bag » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:21 pm

My personal statement has 3 lines on the third page. Is this a problem? I feel like I've cut out everything I possibly can.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby Knock » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:25 pm

unattended bag wrote:My personal statement has 3 lines on the third page. Is this a problem? I feel like I've cut out everything I possibly can.


It is a problem, cut it down to two pages.

Edit: If you can't figure out where to cut out three lines, post it in the PS forum and ask for help. I'm sure someone will be able to help you tighten it up a bit.
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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby Woozy » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:26 pm

Make damn sure you follow all instructions in the materials you send in. I don't care what you wrote in those 3 lines, it will not outweigh the fact that if you send it in they will know you are incapable of following an extremely basic instruction.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby unattended bag » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:32 pm

Gotcha. Do I need to put anything at the top of the page, or can I just start typing the statement on the top line?

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby Knock » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:34 pm

unattended bag wrote:Gotcha. Do I need to put anything at the top of the page, or can I just start typing the statement on the top line?


Put "Personal Statement" at the top, and your last name and LSAC # in the upper right hand corner.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby esq » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:35 pm

A lot of schools are OK with anything double spaced and up to three pages, it will only be a problem with schools such as UCLA that have a 12pt font 2pg (aprox 700wrds) limit.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby Knock » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:37 pm

esq wrote:A lot of schools are OK with anything double spaced and up to three pages, it will only be a problem with schools such as UCLA that have a 12pt font 2pg (aprox 700wrds) limit.


Ehh, lots of schools have 2 page limits: --LinkRemoved--.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby esq » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:44 pm

Knockglock wrote:
esq wrote:A lot of schools are OK with anything double spaced and up to three pages, it will only be a problem with schools such as UCLA that have a 12pt font 2pg (aprox 700wrds) limit.


Ehh, lots of schools have 2 page limits: --LinkRemoved--.


You're right. Guess I have only hit two schools in that category so far, UT & UCLA. Great link too, thanks.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:45 pm

Don't go over at all. 3 lines on one page would look stupid anyhow.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby Knock » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:46 pm

esq wrote:
Knockglock wrote:
esq wrote:A lot of schools are OK with anything double spaced and up to three pages, it will only be a problem with schools such as UCLA that have a 12pt font 2pg (aprox 700wrds) limit.


Ehh, lots of schools have 2 page limits: --LinkRemoved--.


You're right. Guess I have only hit two schools in that category so far, UT & UCLA. Great link too, thanks.


NP. After looking it over, it seems that some schools word it as "about two pages" or "try to limit to two pages." So i'm not sure if that's a hard cut off, I think I would keep it under two pages no matter what. They have to read thousands of these, no one is so special in their eyes that they need more than 2 pages to write their PS.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:51 pm

Knockglock wrote:
esq wrote:
Knockglock wrote:
esq wrote:A lot of schools are OK with anything double spaced and up to three pages, it will only be a problem with schools such as UCLA that have a 12pt font 2pg (aprox 700wrds) limit.


Ehh, lots of schools have 2 page limits: --LinkRemoved--.


You're right. Guess I have only hit two schools in that category so far, UT & UCLA. Great link too, thanks.


NP. After looking it over, it seems that some schools word it as "about two pages" or "try to limit to two pages." So i'm not sure if that's a hard cut off, I think I would keep it under two pages no matter what. They have to read thousands of these, no one is so special in their eyes that they need more than 2 pages to write their PS.


Regardless, three lines on the last page reeks of poor editing. You can always cut enough to get rid of three lines.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby Knock » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:52 pm

blowhard wrote:
Knockglock wrote:
esq wrote:
Knockglock wrote:Ehh, lots of schools have 2 page limits: --LinkRemoved--.


You're right. Guess I have only hit two schools in that category so far, UT & UCLA. Great link too, thanks.


NP. After looking it over, it seems that some schools word it as "about two pages" or "try to limit to two pages." So i'm not sure if that's a hard cut off, I think I would keep it under two pages no matter what. They have to read thousands of these, no one is so special in their eyes that they need more than 2 pages to write their PS.


Regardless, three lines on the last page reeks of poor editing. You can always cut enough to get rid of three lines.


I agree, as I said in the above post, in the eyes of adcomms, who read thousands of these, no one is so special they need more than 2 pages to write their PS.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby esq » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:55 pm

Regardless, three lines on the last page reeks of poor editing. You can always cut enough to get rid of three lines.


I'll agree with that one. I've made sure that with my 3pg PS' the only thing on the third page is a clear why _______ law school paragraph, but three sentences from a paragraph that couldn't fit is kinda tacky.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby d34d9823 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:03 pm

blowhard wrote:Regardless, three lines on the last page reeks of poor editing. You can always cut enough to get rid of three lines.

Not only that, but most people's writing (including my own) gets better if you throw out like half the piece.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby unattended bag » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:23 pm

Thanks everyone, I'll find a way to cut it down. And thanks for that link KnockGlock

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby kmap » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:25 pm

You're all crazy. Mine was a bit longer and it made zero difference.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby Knock » Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:01 pm

kmap wrote:You're all crazy. Mine was a bit longer and it made zero difference.


Personally, I think it's about risk-management here. Do you think the reward of including 3 additional sentences is worth the reward of those 3 additional sentences? I don't think it's even close. Follow directions to a T, you don't want to stick out in adcomms minds for not doing so.

I guarantee you can pare down 3 lines and it won't make your essay even a single degree worse. You might even make it better by tightening it up.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby kmap » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:09 am

Knockglock wrote:
kmap wrote:You're all crazy. Mine was a bit longer and it made zero difference.


Personally, I think it's about risk-management here. Do you think the reward of including 3 additional sentences is worth the reward of those 3 additional sentences? I don't think it's even close. Follow directions to a T, you don't want to stick out in adcomms minds for not doing so.

I guarantee you can pare down 3 lines and it won't make your essay even a single degree worse. You might even make it better by tightening it up.


I think we all need to apply to liberal dose of common sense here. The 2-page limit isn't designed to test your anal-retentiveness; it's a handy way for them to keep people from sending them 300 pages of autobiographical drivel. It's not like if you use an extra 2 lines they're going to pitch your entire application in the trash bin. Everybody needs to stop being so literal!

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby Knock » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:20 am

kmap wrote:
Knockglock wrote:
kmap wrote:You're all crazy. Mine was a bit longer and it made zero difference.


Personally, I think it's about risk-management here. Do you think the reward of including 3 additional sentences is worth the reward of those 3 additional sentences? I don't think it's even close. Follow directions to a T, you don't want to stick out in adcomms minds for not doing so.

I guarantee you can pare down 3 lines and it won't make your essay even a single degree worse. You might even make it better by tightening it up.


I think we all need to apply to liberal dose of common sense here. The 2-page limit isn't designed to test your anal-retentiveness; it's a handy way for them to keep people from sending them 300 pages of autobiographical drivel. It's not like if you use an extra 2 lines they're going to pitch your entire application in the trash bin. Everybody needs to stop being so literal!


Yeah, but I think 99% of the time you can cut out 2 lines without having it affect the strength of your essay. One of the schools necessary for the legal profession is conciseness. There's a difference between 2.2 pages with .2 pages of fluff, and there's another with 2.2 pages of absolutely tight, concise writing, where nothing can be taking out with weakening the essay.

Plus, if you think about it in risk/reward terms, is it really worth the extra risk. I doubt those 2 lines are what makes your essay.

Edit: I kind of think of it as a respect/humility issue. Adcomms read thousands of these. Do I really think I am so much more special thank everyone else that my story is so unique that I need to have a longer essay than anyone else? Most people don't need to go over 2 pages. There are definitely exceptions, but for the majority 2 pages is sufficient. Respect the adcomms time -- you want them to read and pay attention to every word so stay within their suggested limits. Plus, i'm sure schools' thoughts on the issue vary from school to school, and you can't really know which ones are okay and which ones treat a polite suggestion as something a little bit stronger.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby vanwinkle » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:28 am

kmap wrote:I think we all need to apply to liberal dose of common sense here. The 2-page limit isn't designed to test your anal-retentiveness; it's a handy way for them to keep people from sending them 300 pages of autobiographical drivel. It's not like if you use an extra 2 lines they're going to pitch your entire application in the trash bin. Everybody needs to stop being so literal!

It's also a way to measure how well you follow basic directions. If a school wants two pages and you give them more than two pages, that conveys to them that you don't respect the instructions. Even if they don't just pitch your application in the trash bin, you're still giving them something negative about you that's easily avoided by just editing down your PS. Given how competitive law school admissions are, common sense tells you that sticking within 2 pages is the correct response.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby Knock » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:30 am

vanwinkle wrote:
kmap wrote:I think we all need to apply to liberal dose of common sense here. The 2-page limit isn't designed to test your anal-retentiveness; it's a handy way for them to keep people from sending them 300 pages of autobiographical drivel. It's not like if you use an extra 2 lines they're going to pitch your entire application in the trash bin. Everybody needs to stop being so literal!

It's also a way to measure how well you follow basic directions. If a school wants two pages and you give them more than two pages, that conveys to them that you don't respect the instructions. Even if they don't just pitch your application in the trash bin, you're still giving them something negative about you that's easily avoided by just editing down your PS. Given how competitive law school admissions are, common sense tells you that sticking within 2 pages is the correct response.


This.

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Re: a little over two pages ok?

Postby acrossthelake » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:40 am

So for undergrad, the online application didn't mention a page limit, though apparently the paper application did, which I didn't notice until after I had already submitted it. The limit was 500 words, and my essay was 900. My acceptance letter specifically noted my essay as one of the factors for my admission--and there's no way I could have covered the topic in a way that did it justice in anything less than maybe 800. And my undergrad had competitive admissions as well, more competitive than some of the law schools I'll be applying to. So that risk doesn't always hurt.

That being said, my law school personal statement is well within the limit because the topic really doesn't demand that I write any more. My essays to other schools for undergrad were within limit as well. Good writing is often concise and brief. I think for the vast majority of topics one tackles for a personal statement, if one stays focused, it should be short. If it's three lines over, you can probably cut either lines or replace phrases with fewer or a single word.




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