Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:02 am

If you want to discuss affirmative action, there is a thread reserved for that in the lounge. Please don't discuss it in this thread, as it tends to take other threads off-topic. This thread is intended to answer questions about how different groups are are seen, but not to debate the appropriateness of those views.

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Do I qualify as a URM?

Postby negligee » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:17 pm

I'm ethnically Chinese (and I'm an international student but that's probably irrelevant) and a woman. Does this combination have any bearing on my chances? I'm aware that students who identify as Asian are not considered as URM, though.

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Re: Do I qualify as a URM?

Postby The Mixed Tape » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:19 pm

no

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Re: Do I qualify as a URM?

Postby negligee » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:24 pm

The Mixed Tape wrote:no


Haha thanks.

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby smart-comment » Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:32 pm

Hey guys, half black (Nigerian dad) and half Arab (Algerian mom). They don't have a North African/arab option, so supposedly I'm Caucasian to them as stupid as that sounds.

Would a half black bi racial male get a URM boost as much as the regular full black folk? And would I be able to write a diversity statement?

Thanks.

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby twenty » Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:27 pm

smart-comment wrote:Hey guys, half black (Nigerian dad) and half Arab (Algerian mom). They don't have a North African/arab option, so supposedly I'm Caucasian to them as stupid as that sounds.

Would a half black bi racial male get a URM boost as much as the regular full black folk? And would I be able to write a diversity statement?

Thanks.


Yes and yes.

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby fishbulb » Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:24 pm

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby smart-comment » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:19 pm

PodPeople wrote:I think this discussion shows just how ridiculous the legal education field is when it comes to race. Under these guidelines, someone who is from El Salvador or Nicaragua wouldn't be considered a URM. Under these guidelines, a woman from Afghanistan would not be considered a URM. Under these guidelines every "Asian" is lumped together. A poor immigrant from Indonesia would be in the same category as a well-off person from Japan. North Africans like Egyptians, Tunisians - in fact anyone from the MENA category - is considered not only NOT a URM - but white. Even a dark skinned Arab wouldn't be able to be considered a URM. With all the post-9/11 discrimination, there is a serious case for changing the way law schools look at race. Are they trying to create a diverse class? Or are they picking four ethnicities to focus on so they can show a boost in numbers to pretend like diversity is actually there when it is not?


Couldn't agree more lol. The arab being considered European thing is pretty retarded. We're looking at two COMPLETELY different ethnicity here.
So why not consider Indians African? I mean they have dark skin right?

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby PrezRand » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:09 pm

Do they really care how diverse you are? I mean, if you are black, hispanic, native american, or etc, is that enough? Or do they actually look at where you come from?

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:03 pm

smart-comment wrote:
PodPeople wrote:I think this discussion shows just how ridiculous the legal education field is when it comes to race. Under these guidelines, someone who is from El Salvador or Nicaragua wouldn't be considered a URM. Under these guidelines, a woman from Afghanistan would not be considered a URM. Under these guidelines every "Asian" is lumped together. A poor immigrant from Indonesia would be in the same category as a well-off person from Japan. North Africans like Egyptians, Tunisians - in fact anyone from the MENA category - is considered not only NOT a URM - but white. Even a dark skinned Arab wouldn't be able to be considered a URM. With all the post-9/11 discrimination, there is a serious case for changing the way law schools look at race. Are they trying to create a diverse class? Or are they picking four ethnicities to focus on so they can show a boost in numbers to pretend like diversity is actually there when it is not?


Couldn't agree more lol. The arab being considered European thing is pretty retarded. We're looking at two COMPLETELY different ethnicity here.
So why not consider Indians African? I mean they have dark skin right?

If you want to debate the appropriateness of URM boost/racial classifications/treatment of different groups, do so in the affirmative action thread. This thread is only for discussing which groups are considered URMs.

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby smart-comment » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:01 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
smart-comment wrote:
PodPeople wrote:I think this discussion shows just how ridiculous the legal education field is when it comes to race. Under these guidelines, someone who is from El Salvador or Nicaragua wouldn't be considered a URM. Under these guidelines, a woman from Afghanistan would not be considered a URM. Under these guidelines every "Asian" is lumped together. A poor immigrant from Indonesia would be in the same category as a well-off person from Japan. North Africans like Egyptians, Tunisians - in fact anyone from the MENA category - is considered not only NOT a URM - but white. Even a dark skinned Arab wouldn't be able to be considered a URM. With all the post-9/11 discrimination, there is a serious case for changing the way law schools look at race. Are they trying to create a diverse class? Or are they picking four ethnicities to focus on so they can show a boost in numbers to pretend like diversity is actually there when it is not?


Couldn't agree more lol. The arab being considered European thing is pretty retarded. We're looking at two COMPLETELY different ethnicity here.
So why not consider Indians African? I mean they have dark skin right?

If you want to debate the appropriateness of URM boost/racial classifications/treatment of different groups, do so in the affirmative action thread. This thread is only for discussing which groups are considered URMs.


Sounds good

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby smart-comment » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:02 am

twenty wrote:
smart-comment wrote:
Yes and yes.


Thanks! Law school here I come

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby applicants_james » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:55 am

I'm a Taiwanese, am I a URM?

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby stego » Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:28 am

applicants_james wrote:I'm a Taiwanese, am I a URM?


No.

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Am I URM?

Postby Lawdood » Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:02 pm

International student from an African country (think north Africa) but white.

Thanks!
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Re: Am I URM?

Postby Lawdood » Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:08 pm

Anyone?

*not trolling,i'm serious .

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Re: Am I URM?

Postby SFSpartan » Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:13 pm


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Re: Am I URM?

Postby FirmBiz » Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:14 pm

If you have to ask, the answer is probably no.

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Re: Am I URM?

Postby Lawdood » Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:22 pm

SFSpartan wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=35568


That's all I needed. :D

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Re: Am I URM?

Postby 071816 » Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:13 pm

Lawdood wrote:International student from an African country (think north Africa) but white skin color.

Thanks!

bro...

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Re: Am I URM?

Postby Lawdood » Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:53 pm

chimp wrote:
Lawdood wrote:International student from an African country (think north Africa) but white skin color.

Thanks!

bro...


lol. I didn't mean to be offensive.

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby Neacal » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:02 pm

I'm from England and so is my mother. My dad was born in Puerto Rico (to a Cuban father and PR mother) and raised in Miami. I speak Spanish very well and am extremely interested in the culture of the Spanish Caribbean, but I do not come from a "disadvantaged" background at all (my dad is a medical doctor and my mum is a lawyer) and I look very English/Scandinavian.

What should I indicate on applications? Puerto Rican and European?

If I choose to disclose that information, would that make me an "URM" or are only "full" Puerto Ricans counted as such?

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby pushsum123 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:13 am

Neacal wrote:I'm from England and so is my mother. My dad was born in Puerto Rico (to a Cuban father and PR mother) and raised in Miami. I speak Spanish very well and am extremely interested in the culture of the Spanish Caribbean, but I do not come from a "disadvantaged" background at all (my dad is a medical doctor and my mum is a lawyer) and I look very English/Scandinavian.

What should I indicate on applications? Puerto Rican and European?

If I choose to disclose that information, would that make me an "URM" or are only "full" Puerto Ricans counted as such?


On applications you will usually be asked two race/ethnicity questions. One will ask if you identify as Hispanic ethnically. In this case, assuming you identify with all of the backgrounds you listed above, you should check yes because of your PR and Cuban heritage. You might also be asked to specify within Hispanic, in which case you can check Cuban and PR. Next, you will be asked about your race. I would think you would check white (from your mother) and then whatever races your father is. There are Afro-Cubans who might identify racially as black or other PRs who might identify as more native... You pick what fits. Assuming you do not identify as black or indigenous, the only URM group you fit is PR. Keep in mind that not every app asks about specific countries in the Hispanic world, so a diversity statement specifying your PR (and Cuban) heritage and talking about its role in your life would be helpful. As long as you really have PR heritage (prob not just a Spaniard or Cuban born in PR LOL), you will be reviewed as a PR applicant. You don't need to be disadvantaged to be a URM. There are rich PRs. Your interests don't matter either for this purpose. Now, if you want to address your cultural interests in your DS, go ahead. But as long as you have a real claim to PR heritage (and again, not just a white other Hispanic born on the island lol), you should be fine.

Or you can just identify as you always have...

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Re: Am I a URM???/Is___ race/circumstance considered URM??

Postby PodPeople » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:23 am

silver11 wrote:I'm tired of this question. You are a M, not an Under Represented Minority (URM). For the amount of Afghan descendant population there are enough Afghan lawyers in the legal profession. UNDER REPRESENTED


Silver, do you know how many Afghan lawyers there are in the United States? Genuine question. I'm wondering if you have any data/links you can provide.




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