LGBTQ C/O 2020

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby KateMcKitten » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:38 pm

patrickkpaul wrote:To the two other Boston respondents: Hi!

*waves* My response is 100% hope and willing the universe to make it happen as I'm still waiting on decisions.

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby LenasLuthors » Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:59 pm

Anyone planning to go to any of the OUTLAWS / LGBTQ events at ASWs?

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby KateMcKitten » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:15 pm

LenasLuthors wrote:Anyone planning to go to any of the OUTLAWS / LGBTQ events at ASWs?

I definitely am, if/when I get in. I want to find my people. I went with my gf to the HLS LGBT brunch last year and it was in a big-name professor's gorgeous house.

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby s3mant1x » Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:59 pm

Does anyone know about OUTLaw at UT or Lambda at Cornell? I know Cornell has 2 LGBT clinics ayy

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby KateMcKitten » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:29 pm

Registered for the Lambda dinner for the April HLS ASW! Hope I'll see some of your shining faces there.

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby Rigo » Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:46 pm

KateMcKitten wrote:Registered for the Lambda dinner for the April HLS ASW! Hope I'll see some of your shining faces there.

lulz I'm a dumb gay but have fun!

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby Instrumental » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:40 pm

Sup superfriends.

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby Po$eidon » Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:49 pm

Looking like Cornell for me (gay male here). Nice scholly. Still Ithaca for someone who has lived in NYC for quite a while now? *shivers* :?

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby KateMcKitten » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:47 pm

Instrumental wrote:Sup superfriends.

Oh haaaaay! I love seeing people I see on other threads out themselves here.

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby sfn91 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:12 am

KateMcKitten wrote:
Instrumental wrote:Sup superfriends.

Oh haaaaay! I love seeing people I see on other threads out themselves here.


Thought the same exact thing when I saw Instrumental's post haha.

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby HennessyVSOP » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:46 pm

checking in as a queer future dark-alley-dumpster resident

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby tncats » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:19 pm

checking in as a repressed bi woman, ready to get super unrepressed. hi

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby daaaaamnjulianna » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:34 pm

Oh praise the lawd this is here. Anyone have insight about WUSTL? That $$$ (esp given PI goals) is so tempting, but I don't want to be the only living gay in St. Louis.

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby KateMcKitten » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:43 pm

HennessyVSOP wrote:checking in as a queer future dark-alley-dumpster resident

tncats wrote:checking in as a repressed bi woman, ready to get super unrepressed. hi

daaaaamnjulianna wrote:Oh praise the lawd this is here. Anyone have insight about WUSTL? That $$$ (esp given PI goals) is so tempting, but I don't want to be the only living gay in St. Louis.


Hey friends! Welcome to queer utopia (jk this just is a lil thread but welcome anyway).

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby KateMcKitten » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:12 pm

"Homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles." -Posner's concurring opinion on Hively v. Ivy Tech Community College

Thoughts? I think that's a really odd and unique way of putting it, personally.

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:19 pm

KateMcKitten wrote:"Homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles." -Posner's concurring opinion on Hively v. Ivy Tech Community College
Thoughts? I think that's a really odd and unique way of putting it, personally.

Hey, I'll take it. Not really into the implication without context that a natural trait is comparable to nurtured norms though.

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby Po$eidon » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:22 pm

KateMcKitten wrote:"Homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles." -Posner's concurring opinion on Hively v. Ivy Tech Community College

Thoughts? I think that's a really odd and unique way of putting it, personally.


Very clinical. Also by comparing it in the negative (no worse) it seemingly accepts that it is indeed a negative

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby sfn91 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:24 pm

KateMcKitten wrote:"Homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles." -Posner's concurring opinion on Hively v. Ivy Tech Community College

Thoughts? I think that's a really odd and unique way of putting it, personally.


I think it's odd as a general statement, but in the context of the opinion/legalese it makes complete sense and doesn't sound that weird. A lot of discrimination against LGBT people is due to the failure to conform to gender stereotypes/roles, which has its basis in sex. A lesbian who is fired for being a lesbian is not much different than a woman being discriminated against because of non-conformance to other gender-role expectations. It's pretty much because of the non-conformance that she's being discriminated against.

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:28 pm

I wish I was a brainy gay.

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby KateMcKitten » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:28 pm

Po$eidon wrote:Very clinical. Also by comparing it in the negative (no worse) it seemingly accepts that it is indeed a negative

Thank you for identifying why the phrasing makes me so uncomfortable! It implies that both are negative (or at least not positive) traits.

Rigo wrote:Hey, I'll take it. Not really into the implication without context that a natural trait is comparable to nurtured norms though.

Yeah. Like...gender =/= sex (although sex =/= sexual orientation, either, and that's what this argument hinged on, so maybe I'll just keep quiet.)

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:30 pm

KateMcKitten wrote:
Po$eidon wrote:Very clinical. Also by comparing it in the negative (no worse) it seemingly accepts that it is indeed a negative

Thank you for identifying why the phrasing makes me so uncomfortable! It implies that both are negative (or at least not positive) traits.

Yeah this was good. Po$*eidon for intellectual ringleader!

*Edited to show solidarity with Ke$ha

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:33 pm

Do people ITT know where they're going yet?

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Re: LGBTQ C/O 2020

Postby KateMcKitten » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:40 pm

sfn91 wrote:
KateMcKitten wrote:"Homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles." -Posner's concurring opinion on Hively v. Ivy Tech Community College

Thoughts? I think that's a really odd and unique way of putting it, personally.


I think it's odd as a general statement, but in the context of the opinion/legalese it makes complete sense and doesn't sound that weird. A lot of discrimination against LGBT people is due to the failure to conform to gender stereotypes/roles, which has its basis in sex. A lesbian who is fired for being a lesbian is not much different than a woman being discriminated against because of non-conformance to other gender-role expectations. It's pretty much because of the non-conformance that she's being discriminated against.

Totally fair; it is out of context and I do very much appreciate the rest of the paragraph. However, it's the conclusion of the paragraph so it should be able to stand more or less on its own, IMO. As a femme lesbian, I adhere to almost all the gender roles placed on me, so it's hard for me to see it as gender role nonconformity. Although I do see how more outwardly queer people would have that line blurred.

Here is the context btw:
But it has taken our courts and our society a considerable while to realize that sexual harassment, which has been pervasive in many workplaces (including many Capitol Hill offices and, notoriously, Fox News, among many other institutions), is a form of sex discrimination. It has taken a little longer for realization to dawn that discrimination based on a woman's failure to fulfill stereotypical gender roles is also a form of sex discrimination. And it has taken still longer, with a substantial volume of cases struggling and failing to maintain a plausible, defensible line between sex discrimination and sexual-orientation discrimination, to realize that homosexuality is nothing worse than failing to fulfill stereotypical gender roles




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