AAJD2B wrote:And Future, please do not attempt to speak for all black women. I do not want black men emasculated nor does my significant other personify that image. He is a leader, a provider and wears the pants in our relationship, and rightfully so.
To be fair, I did not speak for all black women (hence the use of the terms "by and large" and "commonly" as opposed to "all"), but fine, here's an edit.
Futuregohan14 wrote:Scandal emasculates black men because that is what the vast majority (but not all) of black women want to see. There is a reason it has built such a cult following among them-the relationships and the gender dynamics it depicts are in line with
common black american female fantasies held by the vast majority (but not all) of black American women. These fantasies don't include men like Edison Davis-they're about Fitz.
I think Scandal speaks to the reality in our black community of successful black women, many of whom are single for a reason. I will be the first to admit many of us do not know how to maintain a healthy relationship, which in many instances can be explained by not having model father figures in our lives. By extension, black men need to step up and be men who marry instead of having commitment issues, freeloading off women and having babies they cannot care for. We have work to do and it starts with our kids and at home.
And I will add Shonda is wrong for placing non-black men on a pedestal and presenting outside women as an acceptable status quo.
Agree with most of this.
Here's why Scandal makes no sense for me.Black Women in Real Life
: Black women are vocal critics of black male failure to man up and marry them. They lament the black man's supposed unwillingness to commit and make a woman a wife, and state that he is often too willing to treat her like a mistress and fail to offer her the respect she deserves. There is a reason Beyonce's "Put a Ring On It" became such an anthem among black american women-it reflected these longstanding critiques, which commonly find their way into mainstreaam discourse in black media (magazines, television, websites, etc).Black Women in Scandal
: Olivia is a side piece who Fitz is not going to marry. Despite this treatment, legions of black women adore this relationship. Go figure.Black Women in Real Life
: Black women are vocal critics of black male failure in the household. Too often, black women say, black men step out on their children and their families. They are either never there at all or they're there but getting some on the side and not committing to fatherhood the way they ought to. This type of "dog" behavior is not ok and is undermining the stability of the black family.Black Women in Scandal
: Fitz is stepping out on his family for Olivia, his side piece, and legions of black women love the relationship anyway. Go figure.Black Women in Real Life
: Black women are vocal critics of black male mate choice. They lament the notion that educated, powerful blck men with options all to often select women of other races. These men, they say, seem not to place enough value on black women, or simply don't consider them good enough to stand by their side. By not making black women a priority, these men devalue black females.Black Women in Scandal
: Olivia has a man who is (at least in the show's universe) the most powerful black male on the planet. He is Pres. Pro Tempore of the Senate (3rd in line of Presidential succession) and likely one of the two or three most powerful legislators in the United States (he would need to be to receive and hold that kind of title, especially as a black male-note the dearth of black senators in the US today). The guy is the definition of the kind of "good black man" that black women spend so much time complaining about, the kind of many they say all too often doesn't make black women enough ofa priority.
But Edison does. He wants a black woman, and he wants her to be his wife. Not his side-piece, his wife. What happens to him?
Said black woman blows him off (not once, but twice) in order to remain the primary side piece of a man who won't wife her up and who is stepping out on his family and basically doing all of the bad things that black women charge black men with so often. And legions of the shows black female fans cheer this on-they hate Edison with an almost unreal passion (he really doesn't appear to earn it) and are happy to see him blown off in the way he was.
None of this makes sense unless you come to one conclusion: Black women (not all, just most) carry a deep resentment for black men. This is why they want to see men like Edison emasculated in the way they are on the show, and it is also why they are so supportive of a character who has all of the faults they attach to black men, but isn't actually black (Fitz).
I'll give Shonda Rhimes credit for tapping into this resentment, because it is a very rich mineral vein with the potential to lock in a lot of followers for a long time.