Racial diversity in the T14 (and the T20!), by the numbers

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Racial diversity in the T14 (and the T20!), by the numbers

Postby vzapana » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:14 am

While researching T14 schools, I've focused on racial demographics and racial diversity. Here's some of the data I collected. I looked at school-wide Hispanic, Native American, Asian/Pacific Islander, Black, White and Bi-racial numbers at the T14s, according to recent ABA statistics. Hope this helps you guys!

[EDIT: Halfway through the OP, I've included an analysis of all the T20 schools.]
[EDIT2: At the end of the OP, I've included an analysis of Hispanic/Latino student demographics at the T14/T20 schools.]

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T14 SCHOOLS

According to the U.S. Census, 16.3% of Americans are Hispanic/Latino. Hispanic/Latino students are underrepresented in all 14 T14 schools.

Largest Percentage of Hispanic/Latino students
1.) Berkeley – 14.0%
2.) Stanford – 12.8%
3.) Cornell – 10.6%

Smallest Percentage of Hispanic/Latinos
1.) Penn – 4.0%
2.) Georgetown, Michigan – 4.6%
3.) UVA – 4.8%

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According to the U.S. Census, 0.9% of Americans are Native American. Native Americans are underrepresented in 12 T14 schools. They are overrepresented in the other 2 schools (Berkeley and Cornell).

Largest Percentage of Native-American students
1.) Cornell – 2.0%
2.) Berkeley – 1.6%
3.) Columbia, Harvard, Northwestern – 0.6%

Smallest Percentage of Native Americans
1.) Duke, Georgetown, NYU, Penn – 0.1%
2.) Chicago, Stanford, Yale – 0.2%
3.) Michigan – 0.4%

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According to the U.S. Census, 5.0% of Americans are Asian or Pacific Islander. Asians and Pacific Islanders are underrepresented in 1 of the T14 Schools (Georgetown). They are overrepresented in the other 13 schools.

Largest Percentage of Asians and Pacific Islanders
1.) Berkeley – 19.3%
2.) Northwestern – 17.9%
3.) Columbia – 15.4%

Smallest Percentage of Asians and Pacific Islanders
1.) Georgetown – 4.9%
2.) Chicago – 8.8%
3.) Michigan – 9.5%

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According to the U.S. Census, 12.6% of Americans are black. Black students are underrepresented in all 14 T14 schools. [EDITED]

Largest Percentage of Black Students
1.) Harvard - 10.5%
2.) Georgetown - 8.0%
3.) Columbia - 7.9%

Smallest Percentage of Black Students
1.) Michigan – 2.9%
2.) Berkeley – 5.4%
3.) Yale – 6.0%

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According to the U.S. Census, 63.7% of Americans are non-Hispanic white. Non-Hispanic white students are underrepresented in 11 of the T14 schools. They are overrepresented in the other 3 schools (Duke, Michigan and UVA).

Largest Percentage of Non-Hispanic White Students
1.) Duke – 70.3%
2.) Michigan – 67.5%
3.) UVA – 64.0%

Smallest Percentage of Non-Hispanic White Students
1.) Berkeley – 45.6%
2.) Harvard – 52.1%
3.) NYU – 54.8%

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According to the U.S. Census, 2.9% of Americans are bi-racial. Bi-racial students are underrepresented in 7 of the T14 schools (Berkeley, Columbia, Duke, Georgetown, Harvard, NYU and UVA). They are overrepresented in the other 7 schools.

Largest Percentage of Bi-racial Students
1.) Stanford – 7.0%
2.) Chicago – 5.3%
3.) Penn – 4.3%

Smallest Percentage of Bi-racial Students
1.) Berkeley – 0.0%
2.) Duke, NYU – 0.6%
3.) Harvard – 1.8%

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T20 SCHOOLS

Hispanic/Latino students are underrepresented in all 21 T20 schools.

Largest Percentage of Hispanic/Latino students
1.) Texas - 15.1%
2.) Berkeley - 14.0%
3.) Stanford - 12.8%

Smallest Percentage of Hispanic/Latinos
1.) Minnesota - 2.5%
2.) Penn - 4.0%
3.) Vanderbilt - 4.3%

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Native Americans are underrepresented in 16 T21 schools. They are overrepresented in the other 5 schools (Berkeley, Cornell, Minnesota, U Washington and UCLA).

Largest Percentage of Native-American students
1.) U Washington - 2.2%
2.) Cornell – 2.0%
3.) UCLA - 1.8%

Smallest Percentage of Native Americans
1.) Duke, Georgetown, NYU, Penn – 0.1%
2.) Chicago, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Yale – 0.2%
3.) GW, USC - 0.3%

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Asians and Pacific Islanders are underrepresented in 2 of the T21 Schools (Georgetown and Vanderbilt). They are overrepresented in the other 19 schools.

Largest Percentage of Asians and Pacific Islanders
1.) Berkeley – 19.3%
2.) USC - 19.0%
3.) Northwestern - 17.9%

Smallest Percentage of Asians and Pacific Islanders
1.) Vanderbilt - 4.4%
2.) Georgetown - 4.9%
3.) Texas - 5.3%

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Black students are underrepresented in all 21 T20 schools.

Largest Percentage of Black Students
1.) Harvard - 10.5%
2.) Georgetown, Vanderbilt - 8.0%
3.) Columbia - 7.9%

Smallest Percentage of Black Students
1.) U Washington - 1.7%
2.) Michigan - 2.9%
3.) Minnesota - 3.6%

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Non-Hispanic white students are underrepresented in 15 of the T21 schools. They are overrepresented in the other 6 schools (Duke, GW, Michigan, Minnesota, U Washington and UVA).

Largest Percentage of Non-Hispanic White Students
1.) U Washington - 72.7%
2.) Minnesota - 72.1%
3.) Duke - 70.3%

Smallest Percentage of Non-Hispanic White Students
1.) UCLA - 44.4%
2.) Berkeley - 45.6%
3.) USC - 47.2%

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Bi-racial students are underrepresented in 12 of the T14 schools. They are overrepresented in the other 9 schools (Chicago, Cornell, Michigan, Minnesota, Northwestern, Penn, Stanford, USC and Yale)

Largest Percentage of Bi-racial Students
1.) Stanford – 7.0%
2.) Chicago – 5.3%
3.) Minnesota - 4.8%

Smallest Percentage of Bi-racial Students
1.) Berkeley, U Washington – 0.0%
2.) GW – 0.1%
3.) Duke, NYU - 0.6%

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BREAKING DOWN THE HISPANIC NUMBERS
Some things to note before you look at the analysis:

1.) The data are two years old. In 2010, the ABA stopped differentiating between MA/PR and non-URM Hispanics when reporting school demographics. So that last time we have received official MA and PR statistics was in 2010, and the data were used to create the official 2011 ABA law school guide.

2.) Be wary of the data from GW, Michigan, Minnesota, UVA and Vanderbilt. According to ABA statistics, the five schools didn't admit ANY Mexican-American or Puerto Rican students. In addition, several of the schools reported relatively large percentages of non-URM Hispanics. The data may be correct. But what could have happened is that they didn't report individual MA and PR data to the ABA. (One could assume the ABA would then double-check the data, but I'm skeptical that this would have happened.) I'll include the five schools in the rankings, but I've added asterisks to their names. I've also added a fourth position for "Smallest Percentage of Mexican Americans" and "Largest Percentage of non-URM Hispanics." This gives you the Top 3 unasterisked schools for those categories.

T14 SCHOOLS ONLY
MEXICAN AMERICANS
According to the U.S. Census, 10.3% of Americans are Mexican-American. MAs are underrepresented in all 14 T14 schools.

Largest Percentage of MA Students
1.) Stanford - 8.6%
2.) Berkeley - 5.3%
3.) Chicago - 3.6%

Smallest Percentage of MA Students
1.) Michigan*, UVA* - 0.0%
2.) Georgetown - 0.6%
3.) Duke - 0.8%
4.) Penn - 0.9%

PUERTO RICANS
According to the U.S. Census, 1.5% of Americans are Puerto Rican. PR students are underrepresented in at least 9 of the T14 schools. They are overrepresented in at least 1 (Cornell). And for at least 2 of the schools (Columbia and Yale), the numbers are spot-on.

Largest Percentage of PR Students
1.) Cornell - 1.6%
2.) Columbia, Yale - 1.5%
3.) Chicago - 1.0%

Smallest Percentage of PR Students
1.) Berkeley, Michigan*, UVA* - 0.0%
2.) Georgetown - 0.1%
3.) Duke - 0.5%

OTHER HISPANICS
According to the U.S. Census, 4.6% of Americans are non-URM Hispanic. Non-URM Hispanic students are underrepresented in 11 of the T14 schools. They are overrepresented in the other 3 (Berkeley, Chicago and Penn).

Largest Percentage of OH Students
1.) Chicago - 5.6%
2.) Berkeley - 5.4%
3.) Penn - 5.1%

Smallest Percentage of OH Students
1.) Stanford - 0.7%
2.) Columbia - 1.1%
3.) Georgetown - 4.0%

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T20 SCHOOLS
MEXICAN AMERICANS
MAs are underrepresented in all 21 T20 schools.

Largest Percentage of MA Students
1.) Texas - 14.2%
2.) Stanford - 8.6%
3.) USC - 6.1%

Smallest Percentage of MA Students
1.) GW*, Michigan*, Minnesota*, UVA*, Vanderbilt* - 0.0%
2.) Georgetown - 0.6%
3.) Duke - 0.8%
4.) Penn - 0.9%

PUERTO RICANS
PR students are underrepresented in at least 13 of the T20 schools. They are overrepresented in at least 1 (Cornell). For at least 2 of the schools (Columbia and Yale), the numbers are spot-on.

Largest Percentage of PR Students
1.) Cornell - 1.6%
2.) Columbia, Yale - 1.5%
3.) Chicago - 1.0%

Smallest Percentage of PR Students
1.) Berkeley, GW*, Michigan*, Minnesota*, Texas, UVA*, Vanderbilt* - 0.0%
2.) Georgetown - 0.1%
3.) UCLA - 0.2%

OTHER HISPANICS
Non-URM Hispanic students are underrepresented in at least 17 of the T20 schools. They are overrepresented in at least 3 (Berkeley, Chicago and Penn).

Largest Percentage of OH Students
1.) GW* - 6.0%
2.) Chicago - 5.6%
3.) Berkeley - 5.4%
4.) Penn - 5.1%

Smallest Percentage of OH Students
1.) Stanford - 0.7%
2.) Columbia - 1.1%
3.) Texas - 1.4%
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Re: Racial diversity in the T14, by the numbers

Postby RetakeFrenzy » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:21 am

Wow, Thank you for posting this!

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Re: Racial diversity in the T14, by the numbers

Postby BlaqBella » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:04 am

vzapana wrote:Largest Percentage of Black Students
1.) UVA – 11.0%
2.) Harvard – 10.5%
3.) Stanford – 10.2%


This can't be right. Georgetown and NYU both have one of the largest percentage of black students so I am surprised they did not make the cut. Uhm Stanford??? Like seriously??? :|

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Postby BlaqBella » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:16 am

Just to add according to On Being a Black Lawyer, UVA and Stanford have 7% and 7.4% of black law students respectively.

http://www.onbeingablacklawyer.com/obab ... .html#/14/

Not sure which information to believe. :?

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Postby Nova » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:23 am

Great post! Thanks for the contribution!!

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Postby vzapana » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:18 pm

BlaqBella wrote:Just to add according to On Being a Black Lawyer, UVA and Stanford have 7% and 7.4% of black law students respectively.

http://www.onbeingablacklawyer.com/obab ... .html#/14/

Not sure which information to believe. :?


Just checked all the numbers for all the races again. I got only two numbers wrong: UVA and Stanford's percentages of black students. I accidentally inputted the Asian percentages into my excel sheet. For confusing you, I apologize. I've updated the ranking above. And to show that I mean no harm, I'm going to add to this thread the analyses I've done on all the T20 schools.

P.S. Oddly enough, NYU is kinda bottom of the pack. 8 T14s have better percentages of black students.

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Postby BlaqBella » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:22 pm

vzapana wrote:
BlaqBella wrote:Just to add according to On Being a Black Lawyer, UVA and Stanford have 7% and 7.4% of black law students respectively.

http://www.onbeingablacklawyer.com/obab ... .html#/14/

Not sure which information to believe. :?


Just checked all the numbers for all the races again. I got only two numbers wrong: UVA and Stanford's percentages of black students. I accidentally inputted the Asian percentages into my excel sheet. For confusing you, I apologize. I've updated the ranking above. And to show that I mean no harm, I'm going to add to this thread the analyses I've done on all the T20 schools.


Thanks for the update!

If you intend on going to Minority Preview Weekend at SLS, would you mind reporting back on your experience/observation of the URM population of the school? Of the three (HYS), I always figured SLS had the smallest URM size. Would be interested to know if this has changed.

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Postby vzapana » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:34 pm

BlaqBella wrote:If you intend on going to Minority Preview Weekend at SLS, would you mind reporting back on your experience/observation of the URM population of the school? Of the three (HYS), I always figured SLS had the smallest URM size. Would be interested to know if this has changed.


Of course! And thanks for the input on my analysis.

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Postby masked kavana » Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:21 pm

What makes me sad is that Stanford only had 2 non-MA/PR Hispanic students...

I know other Hispanics aren't considered URMs but that's still pretty sad.

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Postby vzapana » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:16 pm

masked kavana wrote:What makes me sad is that Stanford only had 2 non-MA/PR Hispanic students...

I know other Hispanics aren't considered URMs but that's still pretty sad.


Yeah those 2010 ABA official guide statistics are shocking (http://www.law.stanford.edu/facts/degre ... admissions).

http://www.law.stanford.edu/facts/degre ... admissions

What's nice is that the percentage of Hispanics has increased since then: to 12.8% (2013 guide) from 9.6% (2010 guide).

2010 official guide: 9.6%
2011 official guide: 10.2%
2012 official guide: 10.2%

Maybe now there are a few more non-URM Hispanics than just 2?

EDIT: I've included analysis on Hispanic students at the law schools. See the OP.

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Postby Wohast » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:47 pm

so if Michigan has a lot more AA URM's than MA URM's...do I get a bigger boost being MA URM since I am rarer?

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Re: Racial diversity in the T14 (and the T20!), by the numbers

Postby LexLeon » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:10 pm

Your post is excellent. Thank you.

Might I ask, what is the evidence for your proposition that there exist any "non-URM Hispanics?"

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Re: Racial diversity in the T14 (and the T20!), by the numbers

Postby laxbrah420 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:17 pm

You do a disservice to the word "underrepresented" when you say that a school with 11% ___ race that accounts for 12% of the general population has an underrepresentation.... Undeniably an interesting post, but it would be even better if you add a little sophistication

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Re: Racial diversity in the T14 (and the T20!), by the numbers

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:19 pm

LexLeon wrote:Your post is excellent. Thank you.

Might I ask, what is the evidence for your proposition that there exist any "non-URM Hispanics?"

Back in Grutter, SCOTUS specified Mexican-Americans and Puerto Ricans as under-represented groups. Therefore, the idea is that Hispanics from other backgrounds don't get the boost.

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Postby J90 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:52 pm

Berkeley has ZERO biracial students? That's crazy. Not that it's a particular point that needs addressing versus others, but still pretty bizarre to see.

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Postby Davidbentley » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:25 pm

J90 wrote:Berkeley has ZERO biracial students? That's crazy. Not that it's a particular point that needs addressing versus others, but still pretty bizarre to see.

That may be true as a matter of who checked what boxes. But, I know personally that there were bi-racial students at Berkeley during the time in question.

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Postby vzapana » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:46 am

Davidbentley wrote:
J90 wrote:Berkeley has ZERO biracial students? That's crazy. Not that it's a particular point that needs addressing versus others, but still pretty bizarre to see.

That may be true as a matter of who checked what boxes. But, I know personally that there were bi-racial students at Berkeley during the time in question.


It's all based on ABA stats, which are limited by self-reporting - that statistic shocked me too

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Postby Rahviveh » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:58 pm

Thank you so much. Is there a way to list this for all the T14's?

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Postby vzapana » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:19 pm

ChampagnePapi wrote:Thank you so much. Is there a way to list this for all the T14's?


i have all of that, for each racial/ethnic group, but it's a lot of information, so i don't want to just plop it in this thread. PM me which racial/ethnic group you want.




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