Veteran as a URM

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Veteran as a URM

Postby USMCMatt » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:38 pm

Does anybody have any insight on this?

I'm a pretty average White, Protestant, Middle-Class(ish) Male but I have been in the Marines for the last 13 years.
Active duty, combat veteran, etc....

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby johansantana21 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:39 pm

Hell no.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby lrslayer » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:40 pm

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=170257

relevant thread. i have not seen a huge boost in my cycle tbh.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby USMCMatt » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:50 pm

johansantana21 wrote:Hell no.



Hell no insight? or Hell no, you are just rude?

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby johansantana21 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:51 pm

USMCMatt wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:Hell no.



Hell no insight? or Hell no, you are just rude?


Hell no as in a very emphatic no.

I can't believe you seriously asked this question.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby ThomasMN » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:52 pm

All depends on what you did while you were a Marines. Military experience is different from person to person. If all you did in the military was spend 3 years as a clerk in a S-1 shop then of course it isn't going to be much. What I personally think counts more is what you achieved as a Marine. Pretty much anyone who has been in the military over the last decade has combat experience of some sort or another. What have you specifically done in the Marines?

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby Onthebrink » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:52 pm

My understanding is that it may serve as a significant boost to your application but you are not a URM which has to do with ethnic background.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby ThomasMN » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:55 pm

johansantana21 wrote:Hell no.


I think what he is mostly getting at is that being a veteran is a kind of diversity point. It also helps that veterans - especially disabled veterans - often have a difficult time adjusting into society. They face higher unemployment numbers, mental illness, etc.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby johansantana21 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:56 pm

ThomasMN wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:Hell no.


I think what he is mostly getting at is that being a veteran is a kind of diversity point. It also helps that veterans - especially disabled veterans - often have a difficult time adjusting into society. They face higher unemployment numbers, mental illness, etc.


Diversity =/= URM.

This is like asking if being homeless/poor is considered as URM.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby ThomasMN » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:57 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
ThomasMN wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:Hell no.


I think what he is mostly getting at is that being a veteran is a kind of diversity point. It also helps that veterans - especially disabled veterans - often have a difficult time adjusting into society. They face higher unemployment numbers, mental illness, etc.


Diversity =/= URM.

This is like asking if being homeless/poor is considered as URM.


Just making a case for why he might ask the question.

For your sake it is too bad that being a douche bag doesn't qualify you as a URM.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby johansantana21 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:01 pm

ThomasMN wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:
ThomasMN wrote:
johansantana21 wrote:Hell no.


I think what he is mostly getting at is that being a veteran is a kind of diversity point. It also helps that veterans - especially disabled veterans - often have a difficult time adjusting into society. They face higher unemployment numbers, mental illness, etc.


Diversity =/= URM.

This is like asking if being homeless/poor is considered as URM.


Just making a case for why he might ask the question.

For your sake it is too bad that being a douche bag doesn't qualify you as a URM.


viewtopic.php?f=14&t=35568

The douchebag is the kid who can't even read the sticky to a question that only requires common sense to answer anyways.

Also the answer I originally gave wasn't rude. The reply to the answer was rude. I think it's pretty evident what a "Hell no" is and if you consider that rude over an internet forum, I hope you have thicker skin irl.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby ThomasMN » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:05 pm

Although you might be typical of many posters on TLS, it does little to reduce your overall douche baggery.

You must be having a rough afternoon, are you a Broncos fan?

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby USMCMatt » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:05 pm

ThomasMN wrote:All depends on what you did while you were a Marines. Military experience is different from person to person. If all you did in the military was spend 3 years as a clerk in a S-1 shop then of course it isn't going to be much. What I personally think counts more is what you achieved as a Marine. Pretty much anyone who has been in the military over the last decade has combat experience of some sort or another. What have you specifically done in the Marines?



First eight years were in the Infantry. I have been in the Military Police field since.



Johan, don't be a jerk. If I knew all about the law school admissions process, I wouldn't be on here asking questions. If your replies aren't going to contribute anything meaningful, I would respectfully ask that you leave the thread alone. I came here looking for advice, not attitude.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby johansantana21 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:06 pm

ThomasMN wrote:Although you might be typical of many posters on TLS, it does little to reduce your overall douche baggery.

You must be having a rough afternoon, are you a Broncos fan?


No but law school starts again soon and just the thought of being back there has made me a little more sensitive to dumb questions.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby ThomasMN » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:11 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
ThomasMN wrote:Although you might be typical of many posters on TLS, it does little to reduce your overall douche baggery.

You must be having a rough afternoon, are you a Broncos fan?


No but law school starts again soon and just the thought of being back there has made me a little more sensitive to dumb questions.


Totally understandable. It burns me every once in awhile that people ask the same questions that you can find an answer to with a quick google search or random browsing of TLS. I just have a soft spot in my heart for fellow veterans - even Marines.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby lrslayer » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:19 pm

ThomasMN wrote:All depends on what you did while you were a Marines. Military experience is different from person to person. If all you did in the military was spend 3 years as a clerk in a S-1 shop then of course it isn't going to be much. What I personally think counts more is what you achieved as a Marine. Pretty much anyone who has been in the military over the last decade has combat experience of some sort or another. What have you specifically done in the Marines?

personally, i was a helicopter aircrew/gunner. second woman to get that mos in usmc history. 3 combat tours. multiple awards/honors. i wrote a very compelling ps which included my usmc background as well as a ds that spoke to my experiance of serving as a lesbian during dadt and an addendum that spoke to my gpa which suffered when i first got out due to ptsd (4.0 since taking time to get help but that first year lands me at 3.24). i put together a quality app. not just saying that either; many have critiqued all my material on here and in the real world. all in all, i have gotten in pretty much where a 167/3.24 can expect. boston college, maryland, george mason in. berkeley, uva, gtown out. ucla wl. waiting on many more that adcomms dont even seem to be looking at. i just really question the speculation on tls that military background gets any more boost than neat WE. i thought going into my cycle things would be different but they aren't. i am a 167/3.24 <--(regardless of why) with WE and not much more. if something miraculously happens i will let you all know :)

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby ThomasMN » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:27 pm

lrslayer wrote:
ThomasMN wrote:All depends on what you did while you were a Marines. Military experience is different from person to person. If all you did in the military was spend 3 years as a clerk in a S-1 shop then of course it isn't going to be much. What I personally think counts more is what you achieved as a Marine. Pretty much anyone who has been in the military over the last decade has combat experience of some sort or another. What have you specifically done in the Marines?

personally, i was a helicopter aircrew/gunner. second woman to get that mos in usmc history. 3 combat tours. multiple awards/honors. i wrote a very compelling ps which included my usmc background as well as a ds that spoke to my experiance of serving as a lesbian during dadt and an addendum that spoke to my gpa which suffered when i first got out due to ptsd (4.0 since taking time to get help but that first year lands me at 3.24). i put together a quality app. not just saying that either; many have critiqued all my material on here and in the real world. all in all, i have gotten in pretty much where a 167/3.24 can expect. boston college, maryland, george mason in. berkeley, uva, gtown out. ucla wl. waiting on many more that adcomms dont even seem to be looking at. i just really question the speculation on tls that military background gets any more boost than neat WE. i thought going into my cycle things would be different but they aren't. i am a 167/3.24 <--(regardless of why) with WE and not much more. if something miraculously happens i will let you all know :)


I feel for you. I can't really say that my cycle has deviated much from what my numbers predicted. It might just be this cycle, but I think even getting an acceptance at Boston College with your numbers is actually pretty good. I don't think veteran status will get someone an acceptance outside of the range of numbers a law school normally admits, but I think it does help you when you're at the periphery.

Also, everyone I have talked to at UVA who is a veteran has told me that their time in the military was extremely useful during OCI. At the very least we should do pretty well when it comes to getting jerbs.

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Re: Veteran as a URM

Postby AreJay711 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:29 pm

TBH, law school probably has more than a proportional number of former military.




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