Does bisexuality really make a difference?

(BLS, URM status, non-traditional, GLBT)
xxkaleidoscopic
Posts: 8
Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:46 pm

Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby xxkaleidoscopic » Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:50 pm

As I'm starting to look at law schools, I noticed that the LSAC lists LGBT as being a form of URM. How accurate is this? That is, how heavily will it weigh in my application? How much of a boost can I expect, if any?

luthersloan
Posts: 342
Joined: Thu May 27, 2010 6:43 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby luthersloan » Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:54 pm

Male or female? I tend to think it would make a difference.

kahechsof
Posts: 332
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:26 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby kahechsof » Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:55 pm

xxkaleidoscopic wrote:As I'm starting to look at law schools, I noticed that the LSAC lists LGBT as being a form of URM. How accurate is this? That is, how heavily will it weigh in my application? How much of a boost can I expect, if any?


Wow. The things people will do for a boost in admissions.

xxkaleidoscopic
Posts: 8
Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:46 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby xxkaleidoscopic » Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:56 pm

kahechsof wrote:
xxkaleidoscopic wrote:As I'm starting to look at law schools, I noticed that the LSAC lists LGBT as being a form of URM. How accurate is this? That is, how heavily will it weigh in my application? How much of a boost can I expect, if any?


Wow. The things people will do for a boost in admissions.


No need to be a jerk.

And I'm female.

User avatar
Blessedassurance
Posts: 2081
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:42 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby Blessedassurance » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:35 pm

Yes, you are twice as likely to find a date on a Saturday.

bdubs
Posts: 3729
Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:23 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby bdubs » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:43 pm

The LGB (maybe T, not really sure) community is fairly well represented in law school. The group size seems roughly proportionate, if not disproportionately representative, of the population as a whole. I doubt that you will see any significant difference because it doesn't seem to be an under represented group.

This might vary at certain schools though. Maybe BYU or SMU are lacking LGBT community (I don't know, just going by stereotypes) but I still doubt they would give you much of a bump because of it.
Last edited by bdubs on Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.

kaiser
Posts: 2940
Joined: Mon May 09, 2011 11:34 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby kaiser » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:43 pm

Schools love to boast about their LGBT diversity, so they will likely act like its a big deal. Though a school like mine has so many LGBT folks that its hard to call them underrepresented. So I guess it depends on the school.
Last edited by kaiser on Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.

luthersloan
Posts: 342
Joined: Thu May 27, 2010 6:43 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby luthersloan » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:43 pm

Without knowing for certain, I would be sort of surprised if it gave much of a boost, given how common bisexuality is among women these days.

User avatar
gin
Posts: 389
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:35 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby gin » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:45 pm

Two things
1.
luthersloan wrote:Without knowing for certain, I would be sort of surprised if it gave much of a boost, given how common bisexuality is among women these days.
There's a difference between annoying chicks at bars who are only making out with other girls to get a guys attention and actual lesbians and bisexual women (it's actually not that common)

2. It won't help you. URM status is very narrow and it does not include sexual orientation. It might give you a diversity boost but it will be insignificant. Sorry

User avatar
Grizz
Posts: 10583
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:31 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby Grizz » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:52 pm

gin wrote:2. It won't help you. URM status is very narrow and it does not include sexual orientation. It might give you a diversity boost but it will be insignificant. Sorry

Credited.

User avatar
IAFG
Posts: 6665
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:26 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby IAFG » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:57 pm

gin wrote:Two things
1.
luthersloan wrote:Without knowing for certain, I would be sort of surprised if it gave much of a boost, given how common bisexuality is among women these days.
There's a difference between annoying chicks at bars who are only making out with other girls to get a guys attention and actual lesbians and bisexual women (it's actually not that common)

basis?

llachans
Posts: 597
Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:54 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby llachans » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:09 pm

.
Last edited by llachans on Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

llachans
Posts: 597
Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:54 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby llachans » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:10 pm

Deleted. Double post.

llachans
Posts: 597
Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:54 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby llachans » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:11 pm

llachans wrote:
IAFG wrote:
gin wrote:Two things
1.
luthersloan wrote:Without knowing for certain, I would be sort of surprised if it gave much of a boost, given how common bisexuality is among women these days.
There's a difference between annoying chicks at bars who are only making out with other girls to get a guys attention and actual lesbians and bisexual women (it's actually not that common)

basis?


Statistics. A conservative estimate is that 2% of women are lesbian or bisexual is a conservative amount while a more generous amount says 3-8%. Either way, that's not "common".

User avatar
bk1
Posts: 18418
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby bk1 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:18 pm

No boost in admissions. I think that the term often used is "historically under represented group" which I'd assume LGBT is. They may be no longer under represented, but even if they are, not all under represented groups are given admissions boosts. URM is a mostly accurate term, but also just a convenient term to label all the groups that get admissions boosts. I am sure if you slice ethnicity in certain ways you could get a whole host of other groups who are technically under represented yet don't get a boost.
Last edited by bk1 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
IAFG
Posts: 6665
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:26 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby IAFG » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:22 pm

llachans wrote:Statistics. A conservative estimate is that 2% of women are lesbian or bisexual is a conservative amount while a more generous amount says 3-8%. Either way, that's not "common".

That's not how statistics work, dear.

Here's an actual study with actual statistics: http://hunterforjustice.typepad.com/fil ... 08-gss.pdf

Based on this, it would appear the LGBTQ community is over-represented at my law school.

llachans
Posts: 597
Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:54 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby llachans » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:30 pm

IAFG wrote:
llachans wrote:Statistics. A conservative estimate is that 2% of women are lesbian or bisexual is a conservative amount while a more generous amount says 3-8%. Either way, that's not "common".

That's not how statistics work, dear.

Here's an actual study with actual statistics: http://hunterforjustice.typepad.com/fil ... 08-gss.pdf

Based on this, it would appear the LGBTQ community is over-represented at my law school.


I don't see how that is any more reliable than what the Williams Institute and similar think tanks and public policy organizations continue to purport. Of course the percentage will fluctuate based on "coming out" and age/cultural differences. Regardless, those who identify as bisexual and lesbian are a minority. And in my opinion minority = not common.

Edit: I was arguing that in the general population bisexual and lesbian women are "not common", not that they are on a given college campus. Obviously that will vary on an individual basis.

User avatar
IAFG
Posts: 6665
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:26 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby IAFG » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:33 pm

It's not more reliable than another actual statistic. Or are you saying that you personally are a think tank?

User avatar
DoubleChecks
Posts: 2333
Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:35 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby DoubleChecks » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:36 pm

IAFG wrote:
llachans wrote:Statistics. A conservative estimate is that 2% of women are lesbian or bisexual is a conservative amount while a more generous amount says 3-8%. Either way, that's not "common".

That's not how statistics work, dear.

Here's an actual study with actual statistics: http://hunterforjustice.typepad.com/fil ... 08-gss.pdf

Based on this, it would appear the LGBTQ community is over-represented at my law school.


Wait, I thought the quoted comment dealt with how common it was to be a bisexual woman in the general population...?

llachans
Posts: 597
Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:54 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby llachans » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:37 pm

DoubleChecks wrote:
IAFG wrote:
llachans wrote:Statistics. A conservative estimate is that 2% of women are lesbian or bisexual is a conservative amount while a more generous amount says 3-8%. Either way, that's not "common".

That's not how statistics work, dear.

Here's an actual study with actual statistics: http://hunterforjustice.typepad.com/fil ... 08-gss.pdf

Based on this, it would appear the LGBTQ community is over-represented at my law school.


Wait, I thought the quoted comment dealt with how common it was to be a bisexual woman in the general population...?

That's how I understood it. Simple RC.

User avatar
IAFG
Posts: 6665
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:26 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby IAFG » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:37 pm

DoubleChecks wrote:
IAFG wrote:
llachans wrote:Statistics. A conservative estimate is that 2% of women are lesbian or bisexual is a conservative amount while a more generous amount says 3-8%. Either way, that's not "common".

That's not how statistics work, dear.

Here's an actual study with actual statistics: http://hunterforjustice.typepad.com/fil ... 08-gss.pdf

Based on this, it would appear the LGBTQ community is over-represented at my law school.


Wait, I thought the quoted comment dealt with how common it was to be a bisexual woman in the general population...?

Well I guess I think the relevant demographic would be law school applicants.

llachans
Posts: 597
Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2011 12:54 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby llachans » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:37 pm

IAFG wrote:It's not more reliable than another actual statistic. Or are you saying that you personally are a think tank?

You've got to be kidding me. I just cited the Williams Institute as an example.

Edit: For clarification, the Williams Institute is around the median of the conservative and generous amounts that I initially cited. Any think tank I've ever consulted has a similar percentage.
Last edited by llachans on Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
DoubleChecks
Posts: 2333
Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:35 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby DoubleChecks » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:39 pm

IAFG wrote:Well I guess I think the relevant demographic would be law school applicants.


Huh...I read gin's comment to be about bisexuality among women in general, and I think that is what llachans is talking about as well

User avatar
IAFG
Posts: 6665
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:26 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby IAFG » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:39 pm

llachans wrote:
IAFG wrote:It's not more reliable than another actual statistic. Or are you saying that you personally are a think tank?

You've got to be kidding me. I just cited the Williams Institute as an example.

Wait... where is your citation? I saw an uncited statistic that you posted.

User avatar
DoubleChecks
Posts: 2333
Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:35 pm

Re: Does bisexuality really make a difference?

Postby DoubleChecks » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:40 pm

IAFG wrote:
llachans wrote:
IAFG wrote:It's not more reliable than another actual statistic. Or are you saying that you personally are a think tank?

You've got to be kidding me. I just cited the Williams Institute as an example.

Wait... where is your citation? I saw an uncited statistic that you posted.


Isn't this sort of moot now given you guys aren't even talking about the same thing in the first place? lol...gin didn't even mention bisexuality on law school campuses




Return to “Under Represented Law Student Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: bretby and 3 guests