Is Asian URM?

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dliu3
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Is Asian URM?

Postby dliu3 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:26 pm

I am an Asian student. Am I considered a URM?

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby quetzal_bird » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:27 pm

no

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby El_Gallo » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:27 pm

no. ORM

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mez06
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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby mez06 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:34 pm

absolutely not.

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby glacierfrost » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:36 pm

If you apply to schools like Alabama or Mississippi then you might get some boosts

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby lisjjen » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:40 pm

I've been wondering about that. My vote is -ish.

Technically no. But if the goal is to get the highest percentage of minorities in a class, Asians count. I have no evidence of this, but I would think if being Black or Hispanic gives you a 10 point bump, I wouldn't be surprised if being Asian gives you ~3-5.

Keep in mind, this is a theory. But look at how many Blacks are at Cornell vs how many Asians and then think about the percentage of Blacks and Asians in the US.

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby quetzal_bird » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:45 pm

lisjjen wrote:I've been wondering about that. My vote is -ish.

Technically no. But if the goal is to get the highest percentage of minorities in a class, Asians count. I have no evidence of this, but I would think if being Black or Hispanic gives you a 10 point bump, I wouldn't be surprised if being Asian gives you ~3-5.

Keep in mind, this is a theory. But look at how many Blacks are at Cornell vs how many Asians and then think about the percentage of Blacks and Asians in the US.


I don't think it is useful to assign a point value to the boost given to different URMs, but if you are, Hispanics (and by this I mean MA/PR) certainly do not get a 10 point boost

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby saladfiend » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:47 pm

Filipinos might be URM at law school. Just say you are black.

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby Omegared179 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:57 pm

saladfiend wrote:Filipinos might be URM at law school. Just say you are black.


What do you mean? That Filipinos are black?

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby TheStrand » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:03 pm

No but it probably wouldn't hurt to write a diversity statement if you had atypical upbringing

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby saladfiend » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:50 pm

I mean that if you feel that you deserve the same "bump" as someone who is black because your group is just as (if not more) underrepresented, then perhaps you should check off that you are black, since it is unclear what these words mean.
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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby dr123 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:51 pm

saladfiend wrote:I mean that if you feel that you deserve the same "bump" as someone who is black because your group is just as (if not more) underrepresented, then perhaps you should check off that you are black.


Thats a stupid fucking idea. Do NOT check a box unless you identify with that group.
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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby Helmholtz » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:51 pm

saladfiend wrote:I mean that if you feel that you deserve the same "bump" as someone who is black because your group is just as (if not more) underrepresented, then perhaps you should check off that you are black.


wat

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby dpk711 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:52 pm

lisjjen wrote:I've been wondering about that. My vote is -ish.

Technically no. But if the goal is to get the highest percentage of minorities in a class, Asians count. I have no evidence of this, but I would think if being Black or Hispanic gives you a 10 point bump, I wouldn't be surprised if being Asian gives you ~3-5.

Keep in mind, this is a theory. But look at how many Blacks are at Cornell vs how many Asians and then think about the percentage of Blacks and Asians in the US.


This is absolutely not true...

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby Helmholtz » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:55 pm

dpk711 wrote:
lisjjen wrote:I've been wondering about that. My vote is -ish.

Technically no. But if the goal is to get the highest percentage of minorities in a class, Asians count. I have no evidence of this, but I would think if being Black or Hispanic gives you a 10 point bump, I wouldn't be surprised if being Asian gives you ~3-5.

Keep in mind, this is a theory. But look at how many Blacks are at Cornell vs how many Asians and then think about the percentage of Blacks and Asians in the US.


This is absolutely not true...


+1

Asians are overrepresented in law schools. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine it actually helping when it comes to LS admissions.

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby DukeCornell » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:55 pm

I need a "URM rubric" so that I could know how many points (if any) to add to my LSAT score.
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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby saladfiend » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:55 pm

The simple answer to forum topic question is "no." There really is nothing more to discuss. If you can write an essay showing socioeconomic disadvantage, however, you should write it, especially if you are applying to a California public school.

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby quetzal_bird » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:57 pm

DukeCornell wrote:I wish there was a "URM rubric" so that I could know how many points (if any) to add to my LSAT score.


I don't think it would be helpful because URM admissions are so school specific. Some schools are just looking to create different diversity profiles in different cycles. At least, that's how I feel about the unpredictability of URM cycles

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby saladfiend » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:59 pm

private schools might even have quotas

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby mez06 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:59 pm

Now don't get it twisted, in terms of schools advertising their diversity as in "minorities" they absolutely DO factor in asians into that number. But as far as any potential LSAT boost, not happening partner.

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby dpk711 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:01 pm

I might go as far as to say that Asians actually are penalized a point or two on their LSAT scores because they (we) are so overrepresented.

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby DeeCee » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:35 pm

saladfiend wrote:The simple answer to forum topic question is "no." There really is nothing more to discuss. If you can write an essay showing socioeconomic disadvantage, however, you should write it, especially if you are applying to a California public school.


this and that is all.

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby mez06 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:39 pm

dpk711 wrote:I might go as far as to say that Asians actually are penalized a point or two on their LSAT scores because they (we) are so overrepresented.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby lisjjen » Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:20 pm

Helmholtz wrote:
dpk711 wrote:
lisjjen wrote:I've been wondering about that. My vote is -ish.

Technically no. But if the goal is to get the highest percentage of minorities in a class, Asians count. I have no evidence of this, but I would think if being Black or Hispanic gives you a 10 point bump, I wouldn't be surprised if being Asian gives you ~3-5.

Keep in mind, this is a theory. But look at how many Blacks are at Cornell vs how many Asians and then think about the percentage of Blacks and Asians in the US.


This is absolutely not true...


+1

Asians are overrepresented in law schools. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine it actually helping when it comes to LS admissions.


It's a theory, and probably a shaky one. I was just arguing the concept of low hanging fruit. That is to say, it makes sense to me. We're going into law - it doesn't matter what a thing is, what matters is how it looks on paper. If the percentage of minorities at a school pushes its USNWR ranking up regardless of what minorities they are, then at the very least, schools aren't going to penalize you for being Asian.

dr123 wrote:
saladfiend wrote:I mean that if you feel that you deserve the same "bump" as someone who is black because your group is just as (if not more) underrepresented, then perhaps you should check off that you are black.


Thats a stupid fucking idea. Do NOT check a box unless you identify with that group.


This. $200,000 is an awful lot of money to spend if you're going to be debarred for ethics violations.

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Re: Is Asian URM?

Postby Helmholtz » Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:27 pm

lisjjen wrote:It's a theory, and probably a shaky one. I was just arguing the concept of low hanging fruit. That is to say, it makes sense to me. We're going into law - it doesn't matter what a thing is, what matters is how it looks on paper. If the percentage of minorities at a school pushes its USNWR ranking up regardless of what minorities they are, then at the very least, schools aren't going to penalize you for being Asian.


The percentage of minorities attending a school is a factor in the USNWR?




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