URM School Statistics

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby spacepenguin » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:34 pm

Stanford

stuff = -50.73389 + 0.20814*LSAT + 4.16691*GPA
probability = exp(stuff)/(1+exp(stuff))

LSAT percentiles = 166, 168, 171
GPA percentiles = 3.68, 3.8, 3.9

LSAT min = 164
GPA min = 3.1

*very little data available, I had to break my own little rule and go back 3 years to make this a viable model

** High GPAs are more valuable than high LSAT when it comes to splitters

*** More people need to apply to Stanford

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby EbonyEsq » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:42 pm

spacepenguin wrote:I did my best to eliminate really suspicious data. I either missed this particular entry, or I actually checked the profile and felt that it was genuinely sincere. I do know that the lowest Yale went (based on their own released numbers) was a 152 LSAT and a 3.35 GPA. So, who knows?


This gives me HOPE, alot of it. I'm a 3.4'er and thought Yale won't even consider me unless I pull a 180 LSAT and even then, I figured I would still get a rejection given the low GPA.

Any hints on where you got the 152/3.35 data? Now I'm considering throwing an app their way so long as I score well on the LSAT.

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby timmna » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:44 pm

I'm very surprised I have a (marginally) better shot at H than S, but then I do have a low GPA.

Thanks for doing these!

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby spacepenguin » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:52 pm

EbonyEsq wrote:
This gives me HOPE, alot of it. I'm a 3.4'er and thought Yale won't even consider me unless I pull a 180 LSAT and even then, I figured I would still get a rejection given the low GPA.

Any hints on where you got the 152/3.35 data? Now I'm considering throwing an app their way so long as I score well on the LSAT.


They sent me an 'invitation' to apply a few months ago along with their viewing packet. I say 'invite' because they didn't waive my application fee; however, the numbers I quoted were inside for the class of 2012.

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby EbonyEsq » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:57 pm

spacepenguin wrote:
EbonyEsq wrote:
This gives me HOPE, alot of it. I'm a 3.4'er and thought Yale won't even consider me unless I pull a 180 LSAT and even then, I figured I would still get a rejection given the low GPA.

Any hints on where you got the 152/3.35 data? Now I'm considering throwing an app their way so long as I score well on the LSAT.


They sent me an 'invitation' to apply a few months ago along with their viewing packet. I say 'invite' because they didn't waive my application fee; however, the numbers I quoted were inside for the class of 2012.


We also have to take into consideration how legacy, old money and just plain privilege can get some applicants in who do not have the numbers. And trust me, I don't have any of those connections. :(

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby EbonyEsq » Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:07 pm

spacepenguin wrote:
EbonyEsq wrote:
This gives me HOPE, alot of it. I'm a 3.4'er and thought Yale won't even consider me unless I pull a 180 LSAT and even then, I figured I would still get a rejection given the low GPA.

Any hints on where you got the 152/3.35 data? Now I'm considering throwing an app their way so long as I score well on the LSAT.


They sent me an 'invitation' to apply a few months ago along with their viewing packet. I say 'invite' because they didn't waive my application fee; however, the numbers I quoted were inside for the class of 2012.


Okay so just to piggyback on this, I was checking this out:

http://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/S ... AC3987.pdf


Page 2. So out of those students with GPAs in the 3.2-3.4 range, Yale only accepted 3 out of 402 applicants. Two admittances in the 165-169 range and one in the 170-174 range.


Don't know how old the data but yikes!

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby Alltheirsplendor » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:16 am

EbonyEsq wrote:
spacepenguin wrote:
EbonyEsq wrote:
This gives me HOPE, alot of it. I'm a 3.4'er and thought Yale won't even consider me unless I pull a 180 LSAT and even then, I figured I would still get a rejection given the low GPA.

Any hints on where you got the 152/3.35 data? Now I'm considering throwing an app their way so long as I score well on the LSAT.


They sent me an 'invitation' to apply a few months ago along with their viewing packet. I say 'invite' because they didn't waive my application fee; however, the numbers I quoted were inside for the class of 2012.


Okay so just to piggyback on this, I was checking this out:

http://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/S ... AC3987.pdf


Page 2. So out of those students with GPAs in the 3.2-3.4 range, Yale only accepted 3 out of 402 applicants. Two admittances in the 165-169 range and one in the 170-174 range.


Don't know how old the data but yikes!


:o!!!!!

Oh me oh my!

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby Alltheirsplendor » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:53 am

EbonyEsq wrote:
spacepenguin wrote:
EbonyEsq wrote:
This gives me HOPE, alot of it. I'm a 3.4'er and thought Yale won't even consider me unless I pull a 180 LSAT and even then, I figured I would still get a rejection given the low GPA.

Any hints on where you got the 152/3.35 data? Now I'm considering throwing an app their way so long as I score well on the LSAT.


They sent me an 'invitation' to apply a few months ago along with their viewing packet. I say 'invite' because they didn't waive my application fee; however, the numbers I quoted were inside for the class of 2012.


Okay so just to piggyback on this, I was checking this out:

http://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/S ... AC3987.pdf


Page 2. So out of those students with GPAs in the 3.2-3.4 range, Yale only accepted 3 out of 402 applicants. Two admittances in the 165-169 range and one in the 170-174 range.


Don't know how old the data but yikes!


Did you notice the jump between the 3.5-3.74 to the 3.75 brackets when it came to LSAT scores? 10% of peeps accepted in the former range scoring a 175+ then whoosh, 47% of peeps accepted in the latter.

Craaaazy.

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby spacepenguin » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:03 pm

Everything really suggests that URMs get an LSAT boost but not a GPA boost. I think you'll find similar data for all T14 schools.

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby EbonyEsq » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:14 pm

Alltheirsplendor wrote:
EbonyEsq wrote:
spacepenguin wrote:
EbonyEsq wrote:
This gives me HOPE, alot of it. I'm a 3.4'er and thought Yale won't even consider me unless I pull a 180 LSAT and even then, I figured I would still get a rejection given the low GPA.

Any hints on where you got the 152/3.35 data? Now I'm considering throwing an app their way so long as I score well on the LSAT.


They sent me an 'invitation' to apply a few months ago along with their viewing packet. I say 'invite' because they didn't waive my application fee; however, the numbers I quoted were inside for the class of 2012.


Okay so just to piggyback on this, I was checking this out:

http://officialguide.lsac.org/Release/S ... AC3987.pdf


Page 2. So out of those students with GPAs in the 3.2-3.4 range, Yale only accepted 3 out of 402 applicants. Two admittances in the 165-169 range and one in the 170-174 range.


Don't know how old the data but yikes!


Did you notice the jump between the 3.5-3.74 to the 3.75 brackets when it came to LSAT scores? 10% of peeps accepted in the former range scoring a 175+ then whoosh, 47% of peeps accepted in the latter.

Craaaazy.


Yeah. Yale doesn't make much exceptions when it comes to GPAs. :(

spacepenguin wrote:Everything really suggests that URMs get an LSAT boost but not a GPA boost. I think you'll find similar data for all T14 schools.


LSATs is tied to everything, including scholarship $$$. I still believe many URMs do not understand its importance :(.

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby blacklawboss » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:27 pm

spacepenguin wrote:Everything really suggests that URMs get an LSAT boost but not a GPA boost. I think you'll find similar data for all T14 schools.


156 lsat 3.3 gpa
I have over 10 years of high level executive experience. out of undergrad for over 10 years wont be too specific. Huge community involvement. 1st college grad in my family

Fordham PT
NYU (fantasy reach)
Cardozo
St. John's pt
Seton Hall pt
Rutgers pt
Northwestern

What do you think?

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby s0ph1e2007 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:29 pm

blacklawboss wrote:
spacepenguin wrote:Everything really suggests that URMs get an LSAT boost but not a GPA boost. I think you'll find similar data for all T14 schools.


156 lsat 3.3 gpa
I have over 10 years of high level executive experience. out of undergrad for over 10 years wont be too specific. Huge community involvement. 1st college grad in my family

Fordham PT
NYU (fantasy reach)
Cardozo
St. John's pt
Seton Hall pt
Rutgers pt
Northwestern

What do you think?


what URM are you

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby blacklawboss » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:30 pm

s0ph1e2007 wrote:
blacklawboss wrote:
spacepenguin wrote:Everything really suggests that URMs get an LSAT boost but not a GPA boost. I think you'll find similar data for all T14 schools.


156 lsat 3.3 gpa
I have over 10 years of high level executive experience. out of undergrad for over 10 years wont be too specific. Huge community involvement. 1st college grad in my family

Fordham PT
NYU (fantasy reach)
Cardozo
St. John's pt
Seton Hall pt
Rutgers pt
Northwestern

What do you think?


what URM are you


AA male

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby s0ph1e2007 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:39 pm

blacklawboss wrote:
s0ph1e2007 wrote:
blacklawboss wrote:
spacepenguin wrote:Everything really suggests that URMs get an LSAT boost but not a GPA boost. I think you'll find similar data for all T14 schools.


156 lsat 3.3 gpa
I have over 10 years of high level executive experience. out of undergrad for over 10 years wont be too specific. Huge community involvement. 1st college grad in my family

Fordham PT
NYU (fantasy reach)
Cardozo
St. John's pt
Seton Hall pt
Rutgers pt
Northwestern

What do you think?


what URM are you


AA male


I would go to lawschoolpredictor.com and lawschoolnumbers.com
That's all the rest of us have to give you any idea of your chances
without sig. work experience you won't get into Northwestern. You should probably consider adding a few more schools in the T20-T14 range

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby blacklawboss » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:52 pm


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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby drummerboy » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:44 pm

Can you please check U of Miami amd U of Florida LSAT 156 GPA 3.8

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby Alltheirsplendor » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:59 pm

@Space

With all these statistics why haven't you applied to more schools Space? You're a URM with an excellent/unique undergraduate program and you have pretty high stats.

Apologies in advance if I'm asking a rude question.

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby spacepenguin » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:00 pm

Alltheirsplendor wrote:@Space

With all these statistics why haven't you applied to more schools Space? You're a URM with an excellent/unique undergraduate program and you have pretty high stats.

Apologies in advance if I'm asking a rude question.


Honestly, I was pretty naive about the whole application process coming in. I didn't know about TLS until relatively recently and while I knew URMs got a boost, I didn't imagine how huge the boost really was. My one regret is not studying harder for the LSAT and working under the impression that the differences between top 20 and top 10 were marginal at best.

With that said, I recently applied to Duke and I might throw an app at Yale (considering they don't seem to punish late applications); but ultimately I'll have to make a decision between prestige vs scholarships.

On that note, I enjoy doing this and I just realized that I haven't even finished the top 14 like I promised...my bad.

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby aep1989 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:15 am

Could you do Texas and SMU?

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby spacepenguin » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:02 am

Berkeley

stuff = -37.00977 + 0.10622*LSAT + 5.21629*GPA
probability = exp(stuff)/(1+exp(stuff))

LSAT percentiles (25,50,75) = 162, 166, 169
GPA percentiles (25, 50, 75) = 3.62, 3.81, 3.9

LSAT min = 149
GPA min = 3.090

Berkeley has a ton of data, so that was nice and I took the liberty of testing how splitters would do. Anecdotally, Berkeley tends to favor high GPAs (regardless of URM status), so with that in mind:

An LSAT of 175 and a GPA of 3.0 (arbitrary extremes) yielded a 0.0588 probability, or rather 6% chance.
An LSAT of 152 and a GPA of 4.0 (again, arbitrary) yielded a 50% chance of being admitted.

So in essence it fits the anecdotal assumption that Berkeley prefers higher GPAs, but don't be mislead by the actual numbers associated with the probabilities--statistically speaking, this model isn't catered for splitters. However, in Berkeley's case, the model seems to be much more robust than others and I would safely use it as starting point for predicting your chances.

Anyways, I think I only need Duke and Georgetown to round off the top14 and then I'll get to UT, BU, SMU, etc (you all have not been forgotten and thanks for your patience)

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby serdog » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:33 am

I can't wait for Duke

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby blacklawboss » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:36 am

spacepenguin wrote:Berkeley

stuff = -37.00977 + 0.10622*LSAT + 5.21629*GPA
probability = exp(stuff)/(1+exp(stuff))

LSAT percentiles (25,50,75) = 162, 166, 169
GPA percentiles (25, 50, 75) = 3.62, 3.81, 3.9

LSAT min = 149
GPA min = 3.090

Berkeley has a ton of data, so that was nice and I took the liberty of testing how splitters would do. Anecdotally, Berkeley tends to favor high GPAs (regardless of URM status), so with that in mind:

An LSAT of 175 and a GPA of 3.0 (arbitrary extremes) yielded a 0.0588 probability, or rather 6% chance.
An LSAT of 152 and a GPA of 4.0 (again, arbitrary) yielded a 50% chance of being admitted.

So in essence it fits the anecdotal assumption that Berkeley prefers higher GPAs, but don't be mislead by the actual numbers associated with the probabilities--statistically speaking, this model isn't catered for splitters. However, in Berkeley's case, the model seems to be much more robust than others and I would safely use it as starting point for predicting your chances.

Anyways, I think I only need Duke and Georgetown to round off the top14 and then I'll get to UT, BU, SMU, etc (you all have not been forgotten and thanks for your patience)


you should do your own blog

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Re: URM School Statistics

Postby spacepenguin » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:36 pm

Duke

stuff = -62.34643 + 0.28690*LSAT + 4.4845*GPA
probability = exp(stuff)/(1+exp(stuff))

LSAT percentiles (25,50,75) = 163.5, 167, 170
GPA percentiles (25,50,75) = 3.6, 3.71, 3.88

LSAT min = 153
GPA min = 3.06

*prefers traditional splitters versus reverse splitters

*scoring at the median (both GPA and LSAT) results in a 90% chance of being admitted




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