Where can I find a list of starting salaries for boutiques and all firms, generally?Kohinoor wrote:biglaw mecca for everybody is W&C or one of the boutiques isn't it? Of course, a vanishingly small number actually get it.D Brooks wrote:What's biglaw mecca for the UVa student body?
W&C? Sullivan & Cromwell?
nalp? chambers guide? It is really that selective. Even in the boom years, we were talking a gpa requirement of 3.7D Brooks wrote:Where can I find a list of starting salaries for boutiques and all firms, generally?Kohinoor wrote:biglaw mecca for everybody is W&C or one of the boutiques isn't it? Of course, a vanishingly small number actually get it.D Brooks wrote:What's biglaw mecca for the UVa student body?
W&C? Sullivan & Cromwell?
Is W&C really that selective? Mostly regulatory work and it has like 200 attorneys.
I've always felt out of place. Others didn't.jeremydc wrote:Did you feel out of place as a URM? Did you feel that it didn't matter, that everyone was equal when school began?
The way you answer questions, K...its like this thread is parody of real "Taking Q's" threads and/or a time-waster for your own amusement <3Kohinoor wrote:I've always felt out of place. Others didn't.jeremydc wrote:Did you feel out of place as a URM? Did you feel that it didn't matter, that everyone was equal when school began?
For W&C. For a URM with no clerkship - what GPA? Can you get prestigious DC without a clerkship? Would you need a journal or would grades/prior experience be enough?Kohinoor wrote:nalp? chambers guide? It is really that selective. Even in the boom years, we were talking a gpa requirement of 3.7D Brooks wrote:Where can I find a list of starting salaries for boutiques and all firms, generally?Kohinoor wrote:biglaw mecca for everybody is W&C or one of the boutiques isn't it? Of course, a vanishingly small number actually get it.D Brooks wrote:What's biglaw mecca for the UVa student body?
W&C? Sullivan & Cromwell?
Is W&C really that selective? Mostly regulatory work and it has like 200 attorneys.
What are you doing this summer?Kohinoor wrote:No idea. A few people are doing firm jobs, others are RAs, and others found gov jobs. There seem to be plenty of unpaid positions still available but far fewer paid positions. IP people seem to have an easier time of it.hubtubrub wrote:what are you doing this summer?
RAing. Not a bad gig. Charlottesville is quite nice during the summer. Even the law school is rather beautiful when not being used as an instrument of torture.hiromoto45 wrote:What are you doing this summer?Kohinoor wrote:No idea. A few people are doing firm jobs, others are RAs, and others found gov jobs. There seem to be plenty of unpaid positions still available but far fewer paid positions. IP people seem to have an easier time of it.hubtubrub wrote:what are you doing this summer?
Most schools that say that they offer need based aid just mean that they will allow you to borrow how much ever in loans you need to attend the school. It doesn't necessarily mean that you'll see even a penny of grant/scholly money.jeremydc wrote:I'm sure a lot of people value Kermit's opinion.
Also would you happen to know any info on need based aid? My EFC will be a 0 and i know every school is different but I waned to know if you had any experience with need based aid.
I don't know how helpful you'll find this, but I received sizable need-based grants from Penn ($69k), Georgetown ($90k), UCLA ($48k), and a few other schools. I found that Chicago does not offer need-based aid (I'm not saying this just because I didn't receive any), and Cornell combines their need and merit-based offers.jeremydc wrote:I'm sure a lot of people value Kermit's opinion.
Also would you happen to know any info on need based aid? My EFC will be a 0 and i know every school is different but I waned to know if you had any experience with need based aid.
I don't know anybody that has gotten W&C. Very small sample size. However, and this is pre-ITE and at a different but roughly equal T14, W&C would take people over a 4.0 but sometimes go for a ~3.5. Maybe the 3.5 dood was a URM? Of course, 3.5 is dancing around the top 10-15%.creatinganalt wrote:For W&C. For a URM with no clerkship - what GPA? Can you get prestigious DC without a clerkship? Would you need a journal or would grades/prior experience be enough?
Coming out of OCI, RA work = writing lots of memos = being able to discuss substantive law at OCI. Whether discussing substantive law at OCI is a good thing remains an open question.Kohinoor wrote:RAing. Not a bad gig. Charlottesville is quite nice during the summer. Even the law school is rather beautiful when not being used as an instrument of torture.hiromoto45 wrote:What are you doing this summer?Kohinoor wrote:No idea. A few people are doing firm jobs, others are RAs, and others found gov jobs. There seem to be plenty of unpaid positions still available but far fewer paid positions. IP people seem to have an easier time of it.hubtubrub wrote:what are you doing this summer?
OCI is tiring. That's what stands out most about it. Day after day of donning a suit and trudging to a room to try to convince people that you're better than 20 other similarly situated people. I didn't see diversity making many miracles happen but that might just be me (or, to put it better, diverse candidates with top credentials crush crush crush OCI but those without high grades still struggle. Thus, diversity does make a big difference but only to those who would have been fine anyway). I did notice an odd skew (with the preselect process) where I did worse at target firms and better at reach firms than expected. One clear and quantifiable advantage of being a diverse candidate is that diversity fairs end up giving you additional opportunities to sell yourself. If you have the money to do it and are open to any city, you could theoretically land a shitton of interviews by just hitting every single fair. Firms definitely do try to sell their diversity angle. ty for good luck wishes.DavidYurman85 wrote:how was oci? does diversity seem to matter as much as people say? have you gotten offers yet? if not...good luck going forward!
Thanks for answering questions, and good luck!Kohinoor wrote:OCI is tiring. That's what stands out most about it. Day after day of donning a suit and trudging to a room to try to convince people that you're better than 20 other similarly situated people. I didn't see diversity making many miracles happen but that might just be me (or, to put it better, diverse candidates with top credentials crush crush crush OCI but those without high grades still struggle. Thus, diversity does make a big difference but only to those who would have been fine anyway). I did notice an odd skew (with the preselect process) where I did worse at target firms and better at reach firms than expected. One clear and quantifiable advantage of being a diverse candidate is that diversity fairs end up giving you additional opportunities to sell yourself. If you have the money to do it and are open to any city, you could theoretically land a shitton of interviews by just hitting every single fair. Firms definitely do try to sell their diversity angle. ty for good luck wishes.DavidYurman85 wrote:how was oci? does diversity seem to matter as much as people say? have you gotten offers yet? if not...good luck going forward!
1. Am I correct in stating you attend UVA? If not, please share the school in a PM.Kohinoor wrote:OCI is tiring. That's what stands out most about it. Day after day of donning a suit and trudging to a room to try to convince people that you're better than 20 other similarly situated people. I didn't see diversity making many miracles happen but that might just be me (or, to put it better, diverse candidates with top credentials crush crush crush OCI but those without high grades still struggle. Thus, diversity does make a big difference but only to those who would have been fine anyway). I did notice an odd skew (with the preselect process) where I did worse at target firms and better at reach firms than expected. One clear and quantifiable advantage of being a diverse candidate is that diversity fairs end up giving you additional opportunities to sell yourself. If you have the money to do it and are open to any city, you could theoretically land a shitton of interviews by just hitting every single fair. Firms definitely do try to sell their diversity angle. ty for good luck wishes.DavidYurman85 wrote:how was oci? does diversity seem to matter as much as people say? have you gotten offers yet? if not...good luck going forward!
I'm at UVA and not on a clinic. I know several people who have done clinics and speak of them very highly. A friend in the employment law clinic had her own clients that she would travel to tribunals (and court I believe) to represent. Real people. Real issues. Real responsibility.2011Cycle wrote:1. Am I correct in stating you attend UVA? If not, please share the school in a PM.Kohinoor wrote:OCI is tiring. That's what stands out most about it. Day after day of donning a suit and trudging to a room to try to convince people that you're better than 20 other similarly situated people. I didn't see diversity making many miracles happen but that might just be me (or, to put it better, diverse candidates with top credentials crush crush crush OCI but those without high grades still struggle. Thus, diversity does make a big difference but only to those who would have been fine anyway). I did notice an odd skew (with the preselect process) where I did worse at target firms and better at reach firms than expected. One clear and quantifiable advantage of being a diverse candidate is that diversity fairs end up giving you additional opportunities to sell yourself. If you have the money to do it and are open to any city, you could theoretically land a shitton of interviews by just hitting every single fair. Firms definitely do try to sell their diversity angle. ty for good luck wishes.DavidYurman85 wrote:how was oci? does diversity seem to matter as much as people say? have you gotten offers yet? if not...good luck going forward!
2. Have you taken any of the clinical courses?
Thank youKohinoor wrote:I'm at UVA and not on a clinic. I know several people who have done clinics and speak of them very highly. A friend in the employment law clinic had her own clients that she would travel to tribunals (and court I believe) to represent. Real people. Real issues. Real responsibility.2011Cycle wrote:1. Am I correct in stating you attend UVA? If not, please share the school in a PM.Kohinoor wrote:OCI is tiring. That's what stands out most about it. Day after day of donning a suit and trudging to a room to try to convince people that you're better than 20 other similarly situated people. I didn't see diversity making many miracles happen but that might just be me (or, to put it better, diverse candidates with top credentials crush crush crush OCI but those without high grades still struggle. Thus, diversity does make a big difference but only to those who would have been fine anyway). I did notice an odd skew (with the preselect process) where I did worse at target firms and better at reach firms than expected. One clear and quantifiable advantage of being a diverse candidate is that diversity fairs end up giving you additional opportunities to sell yourself. If you have the money to do it and are open to any city, you could theoretically land a shitton of interviews by just hitting every single fair. Firms definitely do try to sell their diversity angle. ty for good luck wishes.DavidYurman85 wrote:how was oci? does diversity seem to matter as much as people say? have you gotten offers yet? if not...good luck going forward!
2. Have you taken any of the clinical courses?
1. It's as intimidating as you let it be. If you did the reading, you have nothing to be afraid of.ChiButterfly wrote:I have a few questions for those URMs currently in law school:
1. Is the Socratic Method really as intimidating as many make it out to be?
2. Is there a majorly competitive atmosphere in the schools?
3. How welcoming is the atmosphere for those who have work experience (I will have 4 years upon fall entrance)?
4. Do you feel that you have enough time for your final exams? (I heard it's only about 2 hours)
5. How popular is it for students to work during the semesters?
Do you mind sharing the stats that got you into UVA? Did you apply as a Virginia resident? What type of URM and about when did you send in apps? Did you receive any scholarship money?Kohinoor wrote: I'm at UVA...
OCI was good for me, but OCI really shouldn't be the only thing you bank on for a job. I had a successful OCI, but as URM you are given a huge leg up on your classmates through job fairs. I went to every job fair I could go to this summer and as a result ended up with multiple offers and callbacks before OCI even started. Job fairs also help you escape the regional reputation of your school, giving you access to employers from all over the country who don't normally recruit at your school or in your region at all.DavidYurman85 wrote:how was oci? does diversity seem to matter as much as people say? have you gotten offers yet? if not...good luck going forward!
1. No. I have a lot of experience speaking in public, so this wasnt an issue for me.1. Is the Socratic Method really as intimidating as many make it out to be?
2. Is there a majorly competitive atmosphere in the schools?
3. How welcoming is the atmosphere for those who have work experience (I will have 4 years upon fall entrance)?
4. Do you feel that you have enough time for your final exams? (I heard it's only about 2 hours)
5. How popular is it for students to work during the semesters?
