Just wondering because I am *almost* at the 25th percentile for a couple of schools, but with a "bump" I would be well above range..

raperez129 wrote:I've read that research shows that URMs typically score 10 points below their non URM counter-parts on the LSAT, even when compared with similar GPAs. I am sure there isn't a written rule anywhere on this, but is is true that adcoms will "compensate" by bumping the LSAT when considering?
Just wondering because I am *almost* at the 25th percentile for a couple of schools, but with a "bump" I would be well above range..
YCrevolution wrote:merichard87 wrote:From what I have seen on LSN and here Law School Predictor is trash when it comes to URM's because of the unpredictable nature of our apps but I think the general assumption is that URM's get up to a 10 pt boost on the LSAT.
The 10-point boost thing is largely a figment of some over-zealous imaginations.
http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/?page_id=173Law School Predictor wrote:Underrepresented Minorities (URMs)
Target admit rates for URMs, based on how LSP renders predictions: (same method as non-URM applicants after URM boost is applied)
When LSP said Admit: >= 87%
When LSP said Strong Consider: ~ 69%
When LSP said Consider: ~ 50%
When LSP said Weak Consider: ~ 31%
When LSP said Deny: <= 13%
Based on the 4,300+ LSN 2008-09 decisions for self-identified URMs and with LSP URM feature enabled:
When LSP said Admit, 963 instances: 87.1%, +0.1%
When LSP said Strong Consider, 418 instances: 70.8%, +1.8%
When LSP said Consider, 1034 instances: 55.3%, +5.3%
When LSP said Weak Consider, 436 instances: 33.2%, +2.3%
When LSP said Deny, 1468 instances: 14.9%, +1.9%
Difference between actual URM admit rate and predicted URM admit rate: (prediction categories weighted evenly)
Average rate: +2.3%
Median rate: +1.9%
Philo38 wrote:So you are saying you are a URM? Man . . . It must be a VERY good moment when you realize the boost you just got in your cycle. I mean, if you didn't realize it before, this is like the LSAC calling you: "um yeah, we messed up the scoring on your test, turns out that 171 we gave you is actually a 177. Have a nice day."
YCrevolution wrote:merichard87 wrote:From what I have seen on LSN and here Law School Predictor is trash when it comes to URM's because of the unpredictable nature of our apps but I think the general assumption is that URM's get up to a 10 pt boost on the LSAT.
The 10-point boost thing is largely a figment of some over-zealous imaginations.
http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/?page_id=173Law School Predictor wrote:Underrepresented Minorities (URMs)
Target admit rates for URMs, based on how LSP renders predictions: (same method as non-URM applicants after URM boost is applied)
When LSP said Admit: >= 87%
When LSP said Strong Consider: ~ 69%
When LSP said Consider: ~ 50%
When LSP said Weak Consider: ~ 31%
When LSP said Deny: <= 13%
Based on the 4,300+ LSN 2008-09 decisions for self-identified URMs and with LSP URM feature enabled:
When LSP said Admit, 963 instances: 87.1%, +0.1%
When LSP said Strong Consider, 418 instances: 70.8%, +1.8%
When LSP said Consider, 1034 instances: 55.3%, +5.3%
When LSP said Weak Consider, 436 instances: 33.2%, +2.3%
When LSP said Deny, 1468 instances: 14.9%, +1.9%
Difference between actual URM admit rate and predicted URM admit rate: (prediction categories weighted evenly)
Average rate: +2.3%
Median rate: +1.9%
Ragged wrote:Philo38 wrote:So you are saying you are a URM? Man . . . It must be a VERY good moment when you realize the boost you just got in your cycle. I mean, if you didn't realize it before, this is like the LSAC calling you: "um yeah, we messed up the scoring on your test, turns out that 171 we gave you is actually a 177. Have a nice day."
Or in her case 155 to a 161.
YCrevolution wrote:Being URM will help. For a general idea of the boost, see Law School Predictor.
merichard87 wrote:As I said it is UP TO a 10 pt boost which is what I consider a good estimate when I see URMs with LSATs UP TO 10pts under the medians gaining admission to law school. Of course you still have to be a viable candidate. So to summarize: Don't apply to Harvard with a 158 but if you have a 165 and are a URM, give it the 'ol college try.
tkgrrett wrote:Am I the only laughing at the thought of a dean instructing the committee to adjust lsat by race?? like +12 for native american, +10 for black or puerto rican, +8 for mexican and -2 for asian.
YCrevolution wrote:Being URM will help. For a general idea of the boost, see Law School Predictor.
YCrevolution wrote:Herb Watchfell wrote:YCrevolution wrote:Being URM will help. For a general idea of the boost, see Law School Predictor.
I would advice you to avoid that predictor website. I speak from experience when I tell you that it's absolutely atrocious, at least when it comes to predicting URM cycles.
http://www.lawschoolpredictor.com/?page_id=173Law School Predictor wrote:Underrepresented Minorities (URMs)
Target admit rates for URMs, based on how LSP renders predictions: (same method as non-URM applicants after URM boost is applied)
When LSP said Admit: >= 87%
When LSP said Strong Consider: ~ 69%
When LSP said Consider: ~ 50%
When LSP said Weak Consider: ~ 31%
When LSP said Deny: <= 13%
Based on the 4,300+ LSN 2008-09 decisions for self-identified URMs and with LSP URM feature enabled:
When LSP said Admit, 963 instances: 87.1%, +0.1%
When LSP said Strong Consider, 418 instances: 70.8%, +1.8%
When LSP said Consider, 1034 instances: 55.3%, +5.3%
When LSP said Weak Consider, 436 instances: 33.2%, +2.3%
When LSP said Deny, 1468 instances: 14.9%, +1.9%
Difference between actual URM admit rate and predicted URM admit rate: (prediction categories weighted evenly)
Average rate: +2.3%
Median rate: +1.9%
tkgrrett wrote:Am I the only laughing at the thought of a dean instructing the committee to adjust lsat by race?? like +12 for native american, +10 for black or puerto rican, +8 for mexican and -2 for asian.
Ragged wrote:tkgrrett wrote:Am I the only laughing at the thought of a dean instructing the committee to adjust lsat by race?? like +12 for native american, +10 for black or puerto rican, +8 for mexican and -2 for asian.
Like I said, its not how it works. URMs are competing amongst themselves for the spots allocated to URMs. Because URMs score around 1 (or something like that) standard deviation below non-URMs, such segragation translates into a significant boost to URMs when it comes to the LSAT. If all URMs started to score better, than boost would be decreased by about the same amount.
So yes you, with your 177, is an equivalent of 184. Because amongst URM scoring a 177 is even more rare than 180 amongst non-URMs. Congratulations.
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