For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

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For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby manwitaplan » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:00 am

20K/yr from Vandy
17.5k/yr from Howard

What's a better option for an AA male?

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Jules Winnfield » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:34 am

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Jay-Electronica » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:42 am

Usually I am all for howard, but there is no way in hell you should chose it over Vandy. hth

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby manwitaplan » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:43 am

Jules Winnfield wrote:
manwitaplan wrote:20K/yr from Vandy
17.5k/yr from Howard

What's a better option for an AA male?


Where do you wish to practice? If in TN, you may want to go to Vandy. If not there (or in any nearby southern state) I'd go to Howard It has a bigger national reputation and the alumni network is extensive. Plus, if you place in the top 1/3 of your class, you're pretty set for BIGLAW.

Are your awards renewable? do you have to maintain grades?



I want to work in NYC. I'm not sure about the specifics for the Howard scholarship yet...it got sent to my old address, and my old roomy opened it for me and just told me how much money I got...

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby APimpNamedSlickback » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:46 am

ask around man. this is a tough, tough choice. you'll get a better education at vandy, but oci for firms outside of the southeast will probably be better at howard. i suggest doing your research. please come back and tell us what you ultimately pick, and why.

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:56 am

OP you didn't apply to Fordham/Cornell/BU/BC? They would be better for your goals than Howard or Vanderbilt (unless you have ties to NYC)

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Jules Winnfield » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:02 pm

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Jules Winnfield » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:03 pm

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Jay-Electronica » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:05 pm

This is not really a tough choice at all. He has 20k/yr at Vandy. To get biglaw in NY from Howard he will probly have to be top 5-10% --something you cannot bank on. At Vandy as a black male top 1/3 or 1/2 may his cuttoff for ny biglaw. There is a better chance of you reaching your goals from Vandy, added to the pot, you have a very nice scholly from them. Go to Vandy. If it was sticker then it would be harder to justify but it isnt. Best of Luck OP

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Jules Winnfield » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:17 pm

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Rawlsian » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:26 pm

Read through this thread a little and get excited about Vandy.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=108517

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Jay-Electronica » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:29 pm

Jules Winnfield wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:This is not really a tough choice at all. He has 20k/yr at Vandy. To get biglaw in NY from Howard he will probly have to be top 5-10% --something you cannot bank on. At Vandy as a black male top 1/3 or 1/2 may his cuttoff for ny biglaw. There is a better chance of you reaching your goals from Vandy, added to the pot, you have a very nice scholly from them. Go to Vandy. If it was sticker then it would be harder to justify but it isnt. Best of Luck OP



I will cede that Vandy is probably the better choice between the two but isn't the general consensus (at least on TLS) that the top 1/3 goes to BIGLAW from Howard and that Howard has a huge NY network? You're probably correct but I always figured it'd be more than top 10%...

Good Luck, OP.


I dont think thats the consensus at all. I would say in a good economy then maybe but ITE its probly top 10% or better for NYC. I talked a 2L about OCI and to use her words "It was brutal." The safer bet here is to go to vandy they have excellent placement even ITE

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Joga Bonito » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:37 pm

This is not hard question, Vandy is far and above the best choice in this situation. Go to Vandy and don't look back. Vandy is better for everywhere. I know Howard alums and I know Vandy alums and current students. The only people who will think Howard has a better national rep and placement than Vandy are African Americans who aren't lawyers and don't know anything about the field and Howard alums and their children.

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Jules Winnfield » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:40 pm

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby itsmytime10 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:41 pm

U really shouldn't be debating this. Even if Howard gave you a full scholarship, i would say Vandy. This is a no-brainer.

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby najumobi » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:45 pm

manwitaplan wrote:20K/yr from Vandy
17.5k/yr from Howard

What's a better option for an AA male?
is the howard scholly even guaranteed for all 3 years? it not being guaranteed should make you without a doubt cross it off your list as a viable option. but even if it was guaranteed i'd still say go to vandy.
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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Jules Winnfield » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:46 pm

Now that I'm thinking about it more and more, just go to Vandy. You'll most likely be better off for it.

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby voice of reason » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:47 pm

In 2005, Howard placed about 16% of the class in NLJ250 firms, compared to 42% at Vandy. Vanderbilt is a far better school than Howard with better job placement. Go to Vanderbilt.

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Jules Winnfield » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:51 pm

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Joga Bonito » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:52 pm

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby Nom Sawyer » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:54 pm

voice of reason wrote:In 2005, Howard placed about 16% of the class in NLJ250 firms, compared to 42% at Vandy. Vanderbilt is a far better school than Howard with better job placement. Go to Vanderbilt.


+1.. you're even getting more money at Vandy than Howard... go to Vandy, collect $20k, get Biglaw (if that's what you want) if you are in top 60% of your class.

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby manwitaplan » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:55 pm

Thank you for everyone's advice, it's been most helpful. I'm leaning toward Vandy at this point. Still waiting to hear back from georgetown, columbia, nyu, cornell and duke...

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby newyorker88 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:03 pm

Definitely Vandy. The one good thing about Howard is its OCI. However you have to be in the absolute top of your class to get a big law job in NYC not the case for Vandy.

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby UF Gators » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:15 pm

Please, please, please go to Vandy.

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Re: For AA URM: Vandy or Howard?

Postby mhernton » Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:33 pm

I wish I had your problems....Howard is a targets school for firms with Diversity initiatives, good shot at DC, NY and the mid atlantic region. Vandy is one of the best schools in the south, if not the best in the SEC academically. The is a higer comraderie amongst the AA at Vandy than Howard. Coin Flip....Tails.... VAndy




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