GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:reasonabledoubt wrote:Has anyone asked the question: How do we know and quantify that being black DOES in fact offer a "huge boost" in admissions?
The way I see it is diversity is essential - lets say there's 100 spots in a Law School. 70 might be white and 30 might be under represented, relative to both their numbers within the overall population as well (and perhaps especially) as within higher education. The 70 white candidates will be the best (as deemed by the adcomms) candidates for those spots and the 30 URM's (as deemed by the adcomms) will be the best for the remaining spots.
Why should URM's be compared alongside non-URM's when it comes to fullfulling a diversity agenda? I argue they shouldn't. I don't think it's controversial or wrong at all for URM's to be considered relative to other URM applicants and non's to non's.
Schools need to attract a diverse student body - that's the goal - it's being satisfied (thankfully) well the way things are. Any non-URM who is pissed off because of this should just focus on being more competitive relative to the non-URM pool of applicants.
Again, diversity is the goal and this achieves it. What if schools decided the people who bench pressed the most will get into law schools because it makes sense to have physically strong lawyers. (looks good, presents an heir of strenth, etc)
There might be only a few women in a law school class of a few hundred. To fix this, we would alot a certain number of spaces for women and judge them relative to each other. It's likely that most of them will still bench press far less than the men, but it won't matter because they aren't being considered relative to the entire group, only theirs. I hope the metaphor makes this all seem reasonable because I think it is. I don't think there's anything wrong with URM policies/practices. We need diversity; don't forget Mr. Hittler's eugenics ideas and how those turned out. Continue on with diversity agendas!
It really does seem like the URMs compete against each other for a set amount of spots. A school would take the best URMs in the applicant pool, and the best non-URMs in the pool. It just happens to be the case that the best URM applicant would not have as competitive numbers/credentials as the best non-URM applicant.
Right - and this can change. I'm personally not a URM, I am, however, a first generation european-American. English wasn't even my first language. In any case, I'm considered white, no getting around that. Anyways, I would love if URM figures someday surpass the average non-urm figures. That would be quite the triumph. Here's the question... when or if that ever happens, are non-urm's going to argue for consideration within their own group? That would be some poetic justice.