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 Post subject: Excellent article about Ayn Rand being bad at life.
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Ayn Rand is one of America's great mysteries. She was an amphetamine-addicted author of sub-Dan Brown potboilers, who in her spare time wrote lavish torrents of praise for serial killers and the Bernie Madoff-style embezzlers of her day. She opposed democracy on the grounds that "the masses"—her readers—were "lice" and "parasites" who scarcely deserved to live. Yet she remains one of the most popular writers in the United States, still selling 800,000 books a year from beyond the grave



I'm all for libertarianism, I guess, if that's what floats your boat. But at least pick better intellectual role models than Ayn Rand.
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The Economist had an article on her last issue (the one with the US-China special) about how she used to make her husband wear a bell on his shoe so she knew when he came and went.
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The Economist had an article on her last issue (the one with the US-China special) about how she used to make her husband wear a bell on his shoe so she knew when he came and went.

no one likes being sneaked up on.
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The Economist had an article on her last issue (the one with the US-China special) about how she used to make her husband wear a bell on his shoe so she knew when he came and went.


That she was legitimately crazy can hardly be argued. Now, that's no big deal in and of itself. Plenty of good writers were also bonkers (Hemmingway and Pynchon come to mind). The issue is that Ayn Rand was both a nut and a horrible novelist. She strikes out on every possible level, and yet she continues to be loved by far-right-wing college pseudo-intellectuals the world over.

It is a mystery.
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SoftBoiledLife wrote:
http://www.slate.com/id/2233966/

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Ayn Rand is one of America's great mysteries. She was an amphetamine-addicted author of sub-Dan Brown potboilers, who in her spare time wrote lavish torrents of praise for serial killers and the Bernie Madoff-style embezzlers of her day. She opposed democracy on the grounds that "the masses"—her readers—were "lice" and "parasites" who scarcely deserved to live. Yet she remains one of the most popular writers in the United States, still selling 800,000 books a year from beyond the grave



I'm all for libertarianism, I guess, if that's what floats your boat. But at least pick better intellectual role models than Ayn Rand.

Reminds me of rap. They make bunch of money by publishing shit saying they're better than their listeners and their listenersyou don't have shit on them. Oh, and they achieved this status by listeners buying their stuff.
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Thank you for this. I will send it to my friend who inexplicably worships her work.
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It's because they listen to Michael Savage. And also they aren't very smart.
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It's because they listen to Michael Savage. And also they aren't very smart.


Probably credited, but almost too easy of an explanation.
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When exactly did libertarianism become something to be proud of? I don't think any political leaning is especially laudable, but it seems that in the last few years I meet a lot more people that are so eager to tell others that they're libertarian that they can barely contain themselves.
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When exactly did libertarianism become something to be proud of? I don't think any political leaning is especially laudable, but it seems that in the last few years I meet a lot more people that are so eager to tell others that they're libertarian that they can barely contain themselves.

Who the fuck would want to claim Dem or Repub?
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betasteve wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:
When exactly did libertarianism become something to be proud of? I don't think any political leaning is especially laudable, but it seems that in the last few years I meet a lot more people that are so eager to tell others that they're libertarian that they can barely contain themselves.

Who the fuck would want to claim Dem or Repub?

This.

I understand why people want political affiliations beyond the two rather horrible political parties that run things at present. I just don't understand why anyone likes Ayn Rand.
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"I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
- Ayn Rand

Her ideas are the shit, imo. But I agree with you 100% on this article.

I actually enjoy listening to Savage. Not that I agree with him 100% of the time, but just the way he is makes him easily enjoyable to listen too. ::waits for the bashing::
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I don't have time to read this right now, but just look at her for god's sake.
or read about her relationship with Nathaniel Branden

but I still think (some of) her books are great at capturing the dilemma we face
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+180 to basically everything said so far in this thread.
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If I could go back in time and kill Ayn Rand, I would so and feel no remorse.
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Kohinoor wrote:
When exactly did libertarianism become something to be proud of? I don't think any political leaning is especially laudable, but it seems that in the last few years I meet a lot more people that are so eager to tell others that they're libertarian that they can barely contain themselves.


+a lot to this. What the fuck is this? It doesn't even have to be a political conversation, it could be a conversation about fruit or sex and you would know if the person is a libertarian or not.
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Who is John Galt?
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I enjoyed The Fountainhead as a story, and it was heavy-handed at times, but I thought the worldview was an interesting one, even if I don't necessarily want to adopt it for myself. But there were some neat ideas floating around in there. You guys are mostly railing against the people that put Ayn Rand up on a pedestal, right? I've read far worse things, it's just that they don't sell 800,000 copies a year.
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Who is John Galt?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt
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crazycanuck wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:
When exactly did libertarianism become something to be proud of? I don't think any political leaning is especially laudable, but it seems that in the last few years I meet a lot more people that are so eager to tell others that they're libertarian that they can barely contain themselves.


+a lot to this. What the fuck is this? It doesn't even have to be a political conversation, it could be a conversation about fruit or sex and you would know if the person is a libertarian or not.

Protecting against infringement the ability to do whatever one wants in the privacy of their own home is a libertarian axiom.
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SoftBoiledLife wrote:
http://www.slate.com/id/2233966/

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Ayn Rand is one of America's great mysteries. She was an amphetamine-addicted author of sub-Dan Brown potboilers, who in her spare time wrote lavish torrents of praise for serial killers and the Bernie Madoff-style embezzlers of her day. She opposed democracy on the grounds that "the masses"—her readers—were "lice" and "parasites" who scarcely deserved to live. Yet she remains one of the most popular writers in the United States, still selling 800,000 books a year from beyond the grave



I'm all for libertarianism, I guess, if that's what floats your boat. But at least pick better intellectual role models than Ayn Rand.

Anyone want to guess on a percentage of those supposed 800,000 book sales every year are from teachers making you buy them, or the people that buy it to take their hand at that scholarship, but probably make it half way through?
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betasteve wrote:
crazycanuck wrote:
Kohinoor wrote:
When exactly did libertarianism become something to be proud of? I don't think any political leaning is especially laudable, but it seems that in the last few years I meet a lot more people that are so eager to tell others that they're libertarian that they can barely contain themselves.


+a lot to this. What the fuck is this? It doesn't even have to be a political conversation, it could be a conversation about fruit or sex and you would know if the person is a libertarian or not.

Protecting against infringement the ability to do whatever one wants in the privacy of their own home is a libertarian axiom.


Don't you have facebook problems to cry over?
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wolfpack-avvocato wrote:
SoftBoiledLife wrote:
http://www.slate.com/id/2233966/

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Ayn Rand is one of America's great mysteries. She was an amphetamine-addicted author of sub-Dan Brown potboilers, who in her spare time wrote lavish torrents of praise for serial killers and the Bernie Madoff-style embezzlers of her day. She opposed democracy on the grounds that "the masses"—her readers—were "lice" and "parasites" who scarcely deserved to live. Yet she remains one of the most popular writers in the United States, still selling 800,000 books a year from beyond the grave



I'm all for libertarianism, I guess, if that's what floats your boat. But at least pick better intellectual role models than Ayn Rand.

Anyone want to guess on a percentage of those supposed 800,000 book sales every year are from teachers making you buy them, or the people that buy it to take their hand at that scholarship, but probably make it half way through?


Big lulz @ the scholarship. I bought and read The Fountainhead for the same reason. I finished the entire book in about 4 days (4 very boring days) and then ended up being so annoyed by how bad it was that I never even bothered to write the essay.
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I won a scholarship for an Atlas essay. That's all I'll say.
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Heinlein is a far better right wing novelist
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