I vote that SD is the most livable city in California, whereas SF is the coolest. LA has cool stuff in it (with 13,000,000 people in the greater LA area, how could it not?) but is on balance just ugly, crowded and smoggy.

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Rather than saying "SF is the coolest", I would say that SF is the "coolest". It is pretty cool, but since its heyday in the 60's, crime and homelessness are pretty rampant as for the past decades it has become a haven for deadbeats searching for free love and free handouts. If you go to UC Hastings, get ready to dodge the crack heads as you try and deal with living/going to school in the tenderloin.

San Diego, especially most of the seaside towns that constitute the northern part of the county, is probably the best all around place to live in CA (relatively low cost of living compared to LA/OC/SF, just as if not cooler than all of those). Bomb mexican food. Only thing is, the City and County government have been out of money and out of solutions for years now.

Coastal Orange County has pretty much lost its identity as small/quiet resort/artist towns as all the rich people came to build mansions and paint the county red. Which is fine, if youre into that.

Like any other city, LA is full of the good and the bad. But, due to the enormous population of the city's greater area coupled with the number of people who move to LA thinking they are going to be a star (or think they already are one), there are a lot of people of ill repute. In my experience, LA has nothing positive to offer that any other city cannot.

SF is also the coldest city in CA. The summer in Seattle is even much warmer and sunnier than in SF.

Yeah, Tahoe, Big Sur, Yosemite, beaches, weather, etc aren't draws.

It's not just SF that's shifting, but it is right on the fault line. Wouldn't really fall off either, just shifting.

What? CA humid ? Have you visited the South East?

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A muslim terrorist.

CA is a big state, you can't generalize the climate of the entire state. Southern CA is not really humid at all, central and southeastern CA are very dry, and the coast north of about Monterey is very humid/foggy.

S/he probably hasn't even visited CA, let alone SE.

he/she said he/she lived in the bay area, but it doesn't sound like the bay area i'm familiar with.

jcl2: seriously it's not uncomfortably humid. When I think of the North Coast, spent a lot of time in the summer there when I was a kid, humidity is not what comes to mind.

Anyone who lived in the Bay Area AND believes its grossly humid, is either a liar or a cactus.

Again, this is all grain of salt info based on wild conjecture, but it's what I expect from the trolling I've seen Hamster do.

Believe it or not, I moved around a lot as a kid and have lived bi-coastally post-college (I know, it's amazing). It allows me to measure the humidity of different regions!

Some Californians really don't understand what humidity is. If it's not incredibly dry they run around complaining about humidity. Even if there are PARTS of the state that have slight humidity, it's nothing next to the south or midwest in the summer.

Ronde the retard and EJJ and effing moron decided to take my post out of context. The Mountain region is not as "grossly humid" as California. This is fact. CA is more humid than the Mountain region and SW. Of course CA isn't as humid as the South. (And yes, I have been. The South is the most humid place I've been in my entire life.) I have also lived in the Midwest - you get some more humid days than in CA in the summer but on average it feels the same. Point is, CA is still more humid than the Mountain region, and not nearly as pretty at the PNW.

But let's get back to my other point - California is aesthetically much uglier than the PNW. I welcome responses.

As for those questions, I'd be amazed if bilbo or ronde can get them right...let's see if ronde has actually lived in the Bay.

I know 4 out of 6 offhand, but it really doesn't matter, because your perspective and my perspective on CA have nothing to do with the length of time either of us have been here. They come from the difference of our perspectives. As discussed a long time ago under some other anti-ca/berk trolling it was made clear that you're from the 'burbs without much experience living in cities (or around the country, for that matter) and that you consider Berkeley to be "scary" or "ghetto." You didn't like your UG experience in Berk, probably because you didn't adapt well to no longer living in a bubble. I can understand that, it's a worldview, whatever. The point is, I don't think it's the one that gives the best perspective on the Bay Area (or, really, anywhere). I mean, I guess if we're arguing over gated communities, that's fine, but otherwise, it's sort of laughable. This is why you retreat into generalizations "I'd be willing to be they'd get no-offered this summer" when faced with actual facts. I am sure, based on my time in the bay, I could construct 6 questions that would give you a hard time, but honestly, I could give a fuck about local high schools or how Asian San Jose is and I don't think either of those facts really have anything to do with living in SF, Berkeley or Oakland.

Wow. You do win the bigger dick contest here. I only went to college in the Bay Area and didn't really do much around the area except go to SF occasionally or bike down in Santa Cruz. Anyway, you're right. I missed the context. Calling CA grossly humid relative to AZ or NV or whatever state you were referring to is hardly inaccurate.

Hugs and Kisses,

- Ronde, The Retard

ps: I get that a lot of kids from Lowell go to Berkeley, but that's your go to "I'm from the Bay Area" signifier? Really? Also

No shit the mountain region is drier. You mentioned that CA is grossly humid, that's what I responded to. I've spent the majority of my life in N CA, I don't consider the Bay Area to be grossly humid. If it's a bone dry climate you want the mountain or desert region would certainly be a better fit than certain CA climates. I spent some time in NYC and Atlanta and the humidity in both these regions is at times seriously uncomfortable due to the insane humidity. That climate would make me seriously reconsider living in a region with that type of gross humidity. I've never experienced that type of humidity in any part of CA.

Yes to the bolded. Unless I can miraculously place into Seattle. I'm willing to compromise for the aesthetics.

dude, my state is so more humiderist than yours. pssh

fck off. it is not. what you know about my state?
what is the ten biggest landmarks south of the sixty?
where is the x marked on the south's landmine park?
who do you have to ask for to get a gram of weed at the local stop-n-shop?
youaint got NOTHIN.

woah there broski. you did NOT just go there. Oh no you didn't.

Not especially. I have a stare-at-the-trainwreck type fascination when it comes posters who rage against School X or School Y (see "UIUC Sucks" thread and user Rob Johnson). You clearly have something against Berkeley. Hence my interest. Never quite understood my fascination with these threads, but it usually helps me learn something about a school I normally wouldn't hear.

Yeah, welcome to 95% of hamster threads

So you thought I was a neurotic East Coaster who never set foot in the state of California? I didn't want to turn this thread into an anti-Berkeley thread, no really, just anti-CA. I guess I am a die-hard "suburban kid," as bilbo the hobo humper likes to put it.

OH HAI BOBINA