Guchster wrote:I actually spoke to one of my professors at CLS about this after my input in the other Hamilton thread, and her opinion was that when it comes to applying for jobs at schools like CLS, the Hamilton name is HUGE clout that really differentiates that candidate from other people, when the faculty is reviewing applicants for associate professorship positions (or when judges&clerks pull up 5000 resumes to sift through). She also said that the mentorship opportunity actually forces Hamilton fellows to start making faculty connections really early on and that relationship makes it easier to vouch for that person come clerkship/academia time. She said CLS+ Hamilton ~ YLS, in terms of competitiveness for clerkships/academia, at least when she reviewed faculty applicants. She said top grades and being published, wherever you go is more important.
Lastly, she said that Hamilton fellows are generally paired with really the better known faculty members, and while interactions differ, apparently just having them in your arena during the clerkship application process is really helpful.
Her opinion was that CLS is larger than YLS, but that the money combined with the recommendation/mentorship and the uniqueness/prestige it adds to a persons post-grad application is major.
Apparently, most Hamiltons at CLS clerk afterwards, with a few that jump into academia afterwards (according to the ones she's mentored)
But awesome grades are pretty much a requirement for either clerking or academia, and a Hamilton can't guarantee you that, can it?
Listen, if you read the other thread, you'll see i'm definitely not on board the CLS train moast of the time. I actually went to this professor to prove my point that the Hamilton sucked balls, and opened up the convo. by saying that I had a friend deciding between the two and this ^^^ was what she said. Instead, I got fisted with this info.
I don't know how much of what she said was true, but she's a very well liked professor at CLS and I, along with my classmates, deeply respect her judgment and sometimes brutal honesty. While she never said this directly, the vibe I got was that Hams generally end up at the top of our class. While there is no guarantee that this will happen, anecdotally she made it sound like it just does.
But if your grades suck balls at CLS, chances are you're law school exam taking skillz aren't going to do you many favors at YLS. I guess if you end up middle of the pack at both schools, YLS would help you more in the clerkship/academia arena (although middle-bottom of the class, even at YLS, doesn't sound like law schools/judges will be jumping to hire you when they can just take the top of your class or a Ham, etc).
Also, in terms of BigLaw, I can 100% say that having "Hamilton Fellow" on your resume, would DEFINITELY give you a boost. I'm not sure who said that or from which Ham fellows they claim to have heard it from, but logically it just makes sense that it would be a nice boost. Not only do you have no debt to worry about (so you an quit an do something else if you'd like), but it's a hell of a conversation starter, which is generally what runs EIP/OCI. It sticks out like a sore thumb in interviews, and it definitely will set you apart--which is the really hard thing to do at EIP when everyone is basically the same with similar grades/softs as you. Firms would love to add Hamilton Fellow to their website. Then again, if your grade suck, that will be sad.
But if they suck at YLS, chances are you won't be that impressive either, but probably moar impressive than the CLS median pwn3d kid. Meh. Just passing it along that while CLS is not as impressive/presitigious as Yale, the Hamilton is.