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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby Xnegd » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:44 am

I went to Davis, Transferred to Berkeley, and worked in the Tenderloin at Hastings - so I know all the areas very well.

I am personally having a hell of a time picking...

So, Davis is truthfully really in nowhere if you come from a big city, being next to DT Sac isn't exactly a jewel in a crown, and Woodland in full of conservative wackos. Being said, I come from Cow country though so I didn't mind it one bit. As long as you have a car you can drive outside the city and go to Target and what-not. Plus, you don't have to worry about parking like you do the bay. As long as traffic is good, it's only 90 minutes to SF. Plus, you're closer to Wine country. Also, on a personal note, I loved being around the horses and stuff and often used to sneak into barns and play with them - so it was really nice and quiet.

SF (Hastings) is brilliant albeit soggy. The weather is less desirable compared to Davis (Davis is hit and muggy which I love - SF is Cloudy and windy), and I'll say it...I am not a fan of the tenderloin. Even still, the food options in SF are incomparable to anywhere but maybe Chicago and New York. The beer is cheap ($2 a pint at certain spots), the nightlife is fantastic, Public Transportation is reliable-ish. Culture is rampant. Also, is regards to getting a job, a Law Firm will hire a Hastings Grad over a Davis grad any day. I worked in HR, for a couple firms (one of which was the most sought after for a job in the rankings) and we always would hire 14 Hastings grads and 1-2 Davis grads. Rankings be dammed, locality is takes precedence seeing as they're both 1st tier.

...plus Hastings is better with loan repayments if you work nonprofit afterwards...

Thanks being said...I'm still having trouble. On paper Hastings is very much the clear choice; however, not wanting to be anywhere near the tenderloin Davis holds a very strong appeal to me. In other words, do I follow my heart or my brain. I have no clue.

More then likely I'll follow my wallet and see what the scholarships they give me are.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby General Tso » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:45 am

AnthonyNicator wrote: your only immediate competition is USF, and MAYBE, MAYBE SCU kids. some stanford nerds no doubt, but the city has biglaw.


if only this were true...

SF is a target market for many T14 students. 15-20 years ago, you probably would have been correct. But the legal industry (at least among big and medium sized firms) has become so national in scope in recent years that most SF firms can easily fill their SA slots with T14 students. OCI this year at Hastings placed an estimated 10-15%, down from 33% in the mid 2000s.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby Xnegd » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:08 pm

General Tso wrote:
AnthonyNicator wrote: your only immediate competition is USF, and MAYBE, MAYBE SCU kids. some stanford nerds no doubt, but the city has biglaw.


if only this were true...

SF is a target market for many T14 students. 15-20 years ago, you probably would have been correct. But the legal industry (at least among big and medium sized firms) has become so national in scope in recent years that most SF firms can easily fill their SA slots with T14 students. OCI this year at Hastings placed an estimated 10-15%, down from 33% in the mid 2000s.


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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby 20160810 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:25 pm

Xnegd wrote:I went to Davis, Transferred to Berkeley, and worked in the Tenderloin at Hastings - so I know all the areas very well.

I am personally having a hell of a time picking...

So, Davis is truthfully really in nowhere if you come from a big city, being next to DT Sac isn't exactly a jewel in a crown, and Woodland in full of conservative wackos. Being said, I come from Cow country though so I didn't mind it one bit. As long as you have a car you can drive outside the city and go to Target and what-not. Plus, you don't have to worry about parking like you do the bay. As long as traffic is good, it's only 90 minutes to SF. Plus, you're closer to Wine country. Also, on a personal note, I loved being around the horses and stuff and often used to sneak into barns and play with them - so it was really nice and quiet.

SF (Hastings) is brilliant albeit soggy. The weather is less desirable compared to Davis (Davis is hit and muggy which I love - SF is Cloudy and windy), and I'll say it...I am not a fan of the tenderloin. Even still, the food options in SF are incomparable to anywhere but maybe Chicago and New York. The beer is cheap ($2 a pint at certain spots), the nightlife is fantastic, Public Transportation is reliable-ish. Culture is rampant. Also, is regards to getting a job, a Law Firm will hire a Hastings Grad over a Davis grad any day. I worked in HR, for a couple firms (one of which was the most sought after for a job in the rankings) and we always would hire 14 Hastings grads and 1-2 Davis grads. Rankings be dammed, locality is takes precedence seeing as they're both 1st tier.

...plus Hastings is better with loan repayments if you work nonprofit afterwards...

Thanks being said...I'm still having trouble. On paper Hastings is very much the clear choice; however, not wanting to be anywhere near the tenderloin Davis holds a very strong appeal to me. In other words, do I follow my heart or my brain. I have no clue.

More then likely I'll follow my wallet and see what the scholarships they give me are.

Looking at overall numbers of UCD/UCH grads in a given firm is a horrible way to compare placement, because Hastings puts out 4-5x more graduates in a given year. I don't know why people feel the need to split hairs about this so much: Job prospects ARE THE SAME. If a firm will hire down to top-25% at Hastings, you're not getting in with less from UCD (or vice versa). The only way this will change is if the rankings difference, which is already so much larger than usual that it's pretty much guaranteed to go back to normal this year (which is to say both schools ~mid-30s) grows and stays that way for a long time, which means it won't affect any of us anyway.

Pick based on $/feel.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby stonepeep » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:47 pm

mnolen wrote:SP, I'm just gonna follow you from thread to thread until you acknowledge me.


That reminds me of a funny story I should tell you next time we're in class together.

Agreed that the job prospects from Hastings and Davis appear to be the same.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby klevashov » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:53 pm

I'd say the choice comes down to big city/small town.

I went to UCD for undergrad, and I really liked the communal feel, the fact that you could bike everywhere, the small-town atmosphere. I never really felt cramped by the city, but it was pretty easy to go to Sac or SF if you wanted to hit the town somewhere larger.

I've toured Hastings, and I didn't like it much, especially the location. Huge difference if you find yourself leaving a bar in Davis at 1:30AM, you will always feel safe strolling home (and it will probably be close enough to reasonably do so.) Try walking through the Tenderloin at that time of night.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby Aggiegrad2011 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:35 pm

What kills me thus far is how SLOW they both are. I have had my UCD and UCH apps complete for 2 weeks now, and every other school to which I've applied has me under review / decision rendered already, yet Davis hasn't even "gotten my letters of rec." yet... Please.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby JakeL » Fri Nov 12, 2010 6:37 pm

If you think Davis is in the middle of nowhere, you should travel sometime and see the world. You could just as easily say- Davis. if you don't like it, transfer to UCLA.

AnthonyNicator wrote:my brother did his undergrad at davis -- let me tell you, you're going to spending three years in basically bumfucknowhere. the campus is chill, sure, but its surronded by dry grass plains and cows. you need a car to stay sane. sacramento is close by so thats chill.

hastings is in the city, and ive lived in the bay area my entire life. the location that hastings happens to find itself in maybe less than desirable, but the school is legt, T50, and the alumni network is pretty nice. your only immediate competition is USF, and MAYBE, MAYBE SCU kids. some stanford nerds no doubt, but the city has biglaw. hastings. if you dont like it, transfer to UCLA.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby Aggiegrad2011 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:06 pm

It isn't in the middle of nowhere anyway. It's 20 minutes from Sacramento and its suburbs, and without traffic, it's barely over an hour's drive to Oakland, Berkeley, San Francisco, etc. Drive for a couple hours hours and you're skiing at Northstar or gambling in Reno. I mean c'mon... Davis itself isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, true, but calling it the middle of nowhere isn't descriptive. Also the hyperbolic comparison to Africa isn't really right, either. We can find examples right here in CA that would qualify as "middle of nowhere" - Try Amador.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby 20160810 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:39 pm

Aggiegrad2011 wrote:It isn't in the middle of nowhere anyway. It's 20 minutes from Sacramento and its suburbs, and without traffic, it's barely over an hour's drive to Oakland, Berkeley, San Francisco, etc. Drive for a couple hours hours and you're skiing at Northstar or gambling in Reno. I mean c'mon... Davis itself isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, true, but calling it the middle of nowhere isn't descriptive. Also the hyperbolic comparison to Africa isn't really right, either. We can find examples right here in CA that would qualify as "middle of nowhere" - Try Amador.

Also there's really not a whole lot you need that can't be found in Davis. I don't understand people who say they need to be in NY or SF in order to feel like they're living "somewhere." You're about to be in law school. You won't have time to go to museums or the opera, you'll be lucky to squeeze in 20 minutes of TLS and internet porn before bed.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby Aggiegrad2011 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:23 pm

SBL wrote:
Aggiegrad2011 wrote:It isn't in the middle of nowhere anyway. It's 20 minutes from Sacramento and its suburbs, and without traffic, it's barely over an hour's drive to Oakland, Berkeley, San Francisco, etc. Drive for a couple hours hours and you're skiing at Northstar or gambling in Reno. I mean c'mon... Davis itself isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, true, but calling it the middle of nowhere isn't descriptive. Also the hyperbolic comparison to Africa isn't really right, either. We can find examples right here in CA that would qualify as "middle of nowhere" - Try Amador.

Also there's really not a whole lot you need that can't be found in Davis. I don't understand people who say they need to be in NY or SF in order to feel like they're living "somewhere." You're about to be in law school. You won't have time to go to museums or the opera, you'll be lucky to squeeze in 20 minutes of TLS and internet porn before bed.


I mean, it is a bit of a drag that the Starbucks "down town" closes at 9 PM during the week though. There are some "bummer" type deals that folks from big cities like SF and NY and LA simply would have a hard time adapting to. A lot of things close early and are just plain closed on weird days like Sunday and Monday that would *never* happen in the aforementioned big cities. I suppose I can see it from that point of view to a certain extent.

But, yeah, I like Davis and I'd be happy spending another 3 years here if that's what ends up being the case.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby 20160810 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:10 pm

Aggiegrad2011 wrote:
SBL wrote:
Aggiegrad2011 wrote:It isn't in the middle of nowhere anyway. It's 20 minutes from Sacramento and its suburbs, and without traffic, it's barely over an hour's drive to Oakland, Berkeley, San Francisco, etc. Drive for a couple hours hours and you're skiing at Northstar or gambling in Reno. I mean c'mon... Davis itself isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, true, but calling it the middle of nowhere isn't descriptive. Also the hyperbolic comparison to Africa isn't really right, either. We can find examples right here in CA that would qualify as "middle of nowhere" - Try Amador.

Also there's really not a whole lot you need that can't be found in Davis. I don't understand people who say they need to be in NY or SF in order to feel like they're living "somewhere." You're about to be in law school. You won't have time to go to museums or the opera, you'll be lucky to squeeze in 20 minutes of TLS and internet porn before bed.


I mean, it is a bit of a drag that the Starbucks "down town" closes at 9 PM during the week though. There are some "bummer" type deals that folks from big cities like SF and NY and LA simply would have a hard time adapting to. A lot of things close early and are just plain closed on weird days like Sunday and Monday that would *never* happen in the aforementioned big cities. I suppose I can see it from that point of view to a certain extent.

But, yeah, I like Davis and I'd be happy spending another 3 years here if that's what ends up being the case.

We have a Trader Joe's now, so I'm happy.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby Aggiegrad2011 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:04 am

SBL wrote:
Aggiegrad2011 wrote:
SBL wrote:
Aggiegrad2011 wrote:It isn't in the middle of nowhere anyway. It's 20 minutes from Sacramento and its suburbs, and without traffic, it's barely over an hour's drive to Oakland, Berkeley, San Francisco, etc. Drive for a couple hours hours and you're skiing at Northstar or gambling in Reno. I mean c'mon... Davis itself isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, true, but calling it the middle of nowhere isn't descriptive. Also the hyperbolic comparison to Africa isn't really right, either. We can find examples right here in CA that would qualify as "middle of nowhere" - Try Amador.

Also there's really not a whole lot you need that can't be found in Davis. I don't understand people who say they need to be in NY or SF in order to feel like they're living "somewhere." You're about to be in law school. You won't have time to go to museums or the opera, you'll be lucky to squeeze in 20 minutes of TLS and internet porn before bed.


I mean, it is a bit of a drag that the Starbucks "down town" closes at 9 PM during the week though. There are some "bummer" type deals that folks from big cities like SF and NY and LA simply would have a hard time adapting to. A lot of things close early and are just plain closed on weird days like Sunday and Monday that would *never* happen in the aforementioned big cities. I suppose I can see it from that point of view to a certain extent.

But, yeah, I like Davis and I'd be happy spending another 3 years here if that's what ends up being the case.

We have a Trader Joe's now, so I'm happy.


TRUE!! I haven't had a chance to get over there yet, despite being at the Cost Plus the other day to buy a couple ramekins. I should probably make time eventually. I'm on the clear other side of Davis though (Not really a long distance, but it is inconvenient with my crap-tastic schedule).

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby krad » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:23 pm

SBL wrote:
Aggiegrad2011 wrote:
SBL wrote:
Aggiegrad2011 wrote:It isn't in the middle of nowhere anyway. It's 20 minutes from Sacramento and its suburbs, and without traffic, it's barely over an hour's drive to Oakland, Berkeley, San Francisco, etc. Drive for a couple hours hours and you're skiing at Northstar or gambling in Reno. I mean c'mon... Davis itself isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, true, but calling it the middle of nowhere isn't descriptive. Also the hyperbolic comparison to Africa isn't really right, either. We can find examples right here in CA that would qualify as "middle of nowhere" - Try Amador.

Also there's really not a whole lot you need that can't be found in Davis. I don't understand people who say they need to be in NY or SF in order to feel like they're living "somewhere." You're about to be in law school. You won't have time to go to museums or the opera, you'll be lucky to squeeze in 20 minutes of TLS and internet porn before bed.


I mean, it is a bit of a drag that the Starbucks "down town" closes at 9 PM during the week though. There are some "bummer" type deals that folks from big cities like SF and NY and LA simply would have a hard time adapting to. A lot of things close early and are just plain closed on weird days like Sunday and Monday that would *never* happen in the aforementioned big cities. I suppose I can see it from that point of view to a certain extent.

But, yeah, I like Davis and I'd be happy spending another 3 years here if that's what ends up being the case.

We have a Trader Joe's now, so I'm happy.


<3 Trader Joe's

I guess I should admit that I've been lurking on this thread for a while, so thanks to all for the info. I'm applying to both Davis and Hastings (among others that are reaches); I'd like to get back to CA 8)

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby Borhas » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:55 pm

SBL wrote:
Aggiegrad2011 wrote:It isn't in the middle of nowhere anyway. It's 20 minutes from Sacramento and its suburbs, and without traffic, it's barely over an hour's drive to Oakland, Berkeley, San Francisco, etc. Drive for a couple hours hours and you're skiing at Northstar or gambling in Reno. I mean c'mon... Davis itself isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, true, but calling it the middle of nowhere isn't descriptive. Also the hyperbolic comparison to Africa isn't really right, either. We can find examples right here in CA that would qualify as "middle of nowhere" - Try Amador.

Also there's really not a whole lot you need that can't be found in Davis. I don't understand people who say they need to be in NY or SF in order to feel like they're living "somewhere." You're about to be in law school. You won't have time to go to museums or the opera, you'll be lucky to squeeze in 20 minutes of TLS and internet porn before bed.


I've had time to those things

you have time to get drunk on friday night then you have time to go to a museum or an opera

November is busy, but there's lots of time available in September and October, unless yer doing it wrong

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby 20160810 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:03 pm

Borhas wrote:
SBL wrote:
Aggiegrad2011 wrote:It isn't in the middle of nowhere anyway. It's 20 minutes from Sacramento and its suburbs, and without traffic, it's barely over an hour's drive to Oakland, Berkeley, San Francisco, etc. Drive for a couple hours hours and you're skiing at Northstar or gambling in Reno. I mean c'mon... Davis itself isn't exactly a bustling metropolis, true, but calling it the middle of nowhere isn't descriptive. Also the hyperbolic comparison to Africa isn't really right, either. We can find examples right here in CA that would qualify as "middle of nowhere" - Try Amador.

Also there's really not a whole lot you need that can't be found in Davis. I don't understand people who say they need to be in NY or SF in order to feel like they're living "somewhere." You're about to be in law school. You won't have time to go to museums or the opera, you'll be lucky to squeeze in 20 minutes of TLS and internet porn before bed.


I've had time to those things

you have time to get drunk on friday night then you have time to go to a museum or an opera

November is busy, but there's lots of time available in September and October, unless yer doing it wrong

If someone I hung out with went to the opera, I'd kick them squarely in the crotch and resume watching football like a real man.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby Borhas » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:44 pm

nah you'd probably just whine about it on the internet while actually acting like a passive aggressive wimp in 3D world

other cool things done in SF, bonfire + cookout on the beach, people watching, massive halloween parties, jazz clubs, concerts, going to SF Giants games.... some places are just cooler than others... Some people may not do those things, but it's not a time issue, it's just a symptom of being a boring person.

PS I'd go to the Opera, good music

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby 20160810 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:23 pm

Borhas wrote:nah you'd probably just whine about it on the internet while actually acting like a passive aggressive wimp in 3D world

other cool things done in SF, bonfire + cookout on the beach, people watching, massive halloween parties, jazz clubs, concerts, going to SF Giants games.... some places are just cooler than others... Some people may not do those things, but it's not a time issue, it's just a symptom of being a boring person.

PS I'd go to the Opera, good music

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby LawLucy » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:25 pm

Davis:
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If you prefer SF then you shouldn't be deterred by USNWR, many of the factors they use are arbitrary and unreliable



That is some interesting data you provided. tks

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby beachbum » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:31 pm

SBL wrote:
Borhas wrote:nah you'd probably just whine about it on the internet while actually acting like a passive aggressive wimp in 3D world

other cool things done in SF, bonfire + cookout on the beach, people watching, massive halloween parties, jazz clubs, concerts, going to SF Giants games.... some places are just cooler than others... Some people may not do those things, but it's not a time issue, it's just a symptom of being a boring person.

PS I'd go to the Opera, good music

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But I hear the shopping in SF is to DIE for.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby LawLucy » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:35 pm

[/quote]But I hear the shopping in SF is to DIE for.[/quote]


Just in SF in September. the shopping is amazing. shop, shop, shop...drink, drink, drink.

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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby irishman86 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:39 pm

beachbum wrote: But I hear the shopping in SF is to DIE for.


It's alright. SF is missing a lot of boutiques prevalent in places like New York. Also, the stores just aren't as big, or as lavish. There isn't as much variety as there is in other cities.
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Re: UC Hastings VS UC Davis

Postby beachbum » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:41 pm

Haha I was being sarcastic, but right on.




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