Howard Law Vs Seattle U

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Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby Jimlaw123 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:24 pm

Got into Seattle U( 30k scholarship) originally from WA, went to college in California. Family wants me to go here, can live at home, full cost will be about 150K.( Afte saving 70K on living expenses living at home). Private sector is top class 90K, public 60,000K. I like the campus, vibe is alright.. negative is my family( they love me, but nag, and bug, and call.. it’s be a headache, but I can deal). Goal Business Law, tech, corporate.

Howard Law School... They gave me 10K. If You’re in the top 25% after 1L, they’ll pay for your full tuition 2nd-3rd( what I was told, they have programs for it)year. If you are in that 25% you get a chance at BigLaw, as they place well. I’ve spoken to 3 attorneys (USC real estate law(BigLaw), USC IP law, Syracuse IP Law( huge firm in San Fransisco, She’s my mentor now)

They told me to go to Howard, since I can come back, and get a whiff at their firms( They’re friends, so it could be all fluff).

Issues are moving( never been to the east coast), as well as going to a predominantly African American school( I’m a minority, raised in the burbs, went to school in So-Cal)
Don’t mind it, but, it’s something to add on. It’s going to cost me, with room and board 150K( if I have to pay full amount), heard they place well in private sector and big law.

I want to be in corporate, contracts, and tech( Have worked with the agencies in Cali( CAA, WME, UTA) and producers in the past, each I’ve spoken to said go to Howard.

Please no trolls, just help me. I’m not retaking( retook 4 times, post poned last year to retake, got the same score( crazy, huh?), it was a 157.

Thanks.

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Re: Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby AspiringAspirant » Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:37 pm

Howard, easy. There’s nowhere you can go with a Seattle degree that you can’t also get to with a Howard degree. The same can’t be said of the inverse.

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Re: Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby Veil of Ignorance » Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:45 am

It looks like they're tied in USNWR. Obviously that doesn't matter much, but could the poster above clarify why he thinks Howard is so much better?

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Re: Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby Jimlaw123 » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:09 am

Veil of Ignorance wrote:It looks like they're tied in USNWR. Obviously that doesn't matter much, but could the poster above clarify why he thinks Howard is so much better?


Just the opportunities in biglaw, and potential for scholarship... I’m not too keen on D.C. but I’ll go anywhere to win.. though I’m an older college student(31).

Just the I’ve been told it’s better, though Seattle U, wild be less stress.. truly.

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Re: Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby beinghuman » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:24 am

You probably will not like what I will tell you but I think that going to either school will be a huge gamble. Neither school places particularly well in big law. There's no way for you to know at this point whether you will be in the top 25% in 1L. Given that you're 31, you have less time to repay your debt than someone going straight from undergraduate. Starting with 150K in debt at 34 will not be fun especially if you are graduating from law schools whose graduates do not fare well on the market -- Howard does a relatively better job but 20% big law is a low number.

https://www.lstreports.com/schools/howard/jobs/
https://www.lstreports.com/schools/seattle/jobs/

Jimlaw123 wrote:Got into Seattle U( 30k scholarship) originally from WA, went to college in California. Family wants me to go here, can live at home, full cost will be about 150K.( Afte saving 70K on living expenses living at home). Private sector is top class 90K, public 60,000K. I like the campus, vibe is alright.. negative is my family( they love me, but nag, and bug, and call.. it’s be a headache, but I can deal). Goal Business Law, tech, corporate.

Howard Law School... They gave me 10K. If You’re in the top 25% after 1L, they’ll pay for your full tuition 2nd-3rd( what I was told, they have programs for it)year. If you are in that 25% you get a chance at BigLaw, as they place well. I’ve spoken to 3 attorneys (USC real estate law(BigLaw), USC IP law, Syracuse IP Law( huge firm in San Fransisco, She’s my mentor now)

They told me to go to Howard, since I can come back, and get a whiff at their firms( They’re friends, so it could be all fluff).

Issues are moving( never been to the east coast), as well as going to a predominantly African American school( I’m a minority, raised in the burbs, went to school in So-Cal)
Don’t mind it, but, it’s something to add on. It’s going to cost me, with room and board 150K( if I have to pay full amount), heard they place well in private sector and big law.

I want to be in corporate, contracts, and tech( Have worked with the agencies in Cali( CAA, WME, UTA) and producers in the past, each I’ve spoken to said go to Howard.

Please no trolls, just help me. I’m not retaking( retook 4 times, post poned last year to retake, got the same score( crazy, huh?), it was a 157.

Thanks.

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Re: Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby redtalun » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:25 am

AspiringAspirant wrote:Howard, easy. There’s nowhere you can go with a Seattle degree that you can’t also get to with a Howard degree. The same can’t be said of the inverse.

I don't know anyone in the Seattle legal community with a Howard Law degree. OP will do better in the PNW with a SU degree, but the EV for both of these options is not good.

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Re: Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby Wipfelder » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:54 am

redtalun wrote:
AspiringAspirant wrote:Howard, easy. There’s nowhere you can go with a Seattle degree that you can’t also get to with a Howard degree. The same can’t be said of the inverse.

I don't know anyone in the Seattle legal community with a Howard Law degree. OP will do better in the PNW with a SU degree, but the EV for both of these options is not good.


Also, OP's comment "90k is top class", is a bit of a misnomer. There is a huge range of starting salaries in the PNW, 215yr to 45kyr.

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Re: Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby AspiringAspirant » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:05 am

redtalun wrote:
AspiringAspirant wrote:Howard, easy. There’s nowhere you can go with a Seattle degree that you can’t also get to with a Howard degree. The same can’t be said of the inverse.

I don't know anyone in the Seattle legal community with a Howard Law degree. OP will do better in the PNW with a SU degree, but the EV for both of these options is not good.


Something tells me you don’t know too many black lawyers in the Seattle community, so this doesn’t say much.

OP, I made the above recommendation because essentially all markets — especially ones like Seattle — are incredibly in need of black lawyers. Thus Howard, being an HBCU, has a national reach that similarly ranked schools don’t have. Firms nationwide actively reach out to Howard in a way that they simply won’t for a place like Seattle U.

In short, top rank at Seattle U = Top Seattle jobs. Top rank at Howard = Top jobs anywhere. But make no mistake, you’ll have to do very well at either school to get desirable options.

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Re: Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby Wipfelder » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:27 pm

AspiringAspirant wrote:
redtalun wrote:
AspiringAspirant wrote:Howard, easy. There’s nowhere you can go with a Seattle degree that you can’t also get to with a Howard degree. The same can’t be said of the inverse.

I don't know anyone in the Seattle legal community with a Howard Law degree. OP will do better in the PNW with a SU degree, but the EV for both of these options is not good.


Something tells me you don’t know too many black lawyers in the Seattle community, so this doesn’t say much.

OP, I made the above recommendation because essentially all markets — especially ones like Seattle — are incredibly in need of black lawyers. Thus Howard, being an HBCU, has a national reach that similarly ranked schools don’t have. Firms nationwide actively reach out to Howard in a way that they simply won’t for a place like Seattle U.

In short, top rank at Seattle U = Top Seattle jobs. Top rank at Howard = Top jobs anywhere. But make no mistake, you’ll have to do very well at either school to get desirable options.


This is exactly correct for the national law firms in Seattle.

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Re: Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby lana merakai » Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:51 pm

I don't think one is better than the other. I'd suggest you go where you can save money.

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Re: Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby SFSpartan » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:13 pm

You have a separate thread that became a discussion of basically this exact topic. The advice you got there was to either retake the LSAT or sit out a year and apply more broadly. That was good advice and you should proceed as suggested.

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Re: Howard Law Vs Seattle U

Postby totesTheGoat » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:59 pm

Jimlaw123 wrote:Got into Seattle U( 30k scholarship) originally from WA, went to college in California. Family wants me to go here, can live at home, full cost will be about 150K.( Afte saving 70K on living expenses living at home).


How do you feel about paying a second mortgage's worth of student loans until you're almost 50? 150k in student loans is roughly $1500/month for 10 years. How do you feel about paying that amount of money making $63k a year at age 35? Oh, and tack on another 25k in loans for various expenses (rising tuition, books, bar prep course, etc). I'm not describing the worst case scenario, I'm describing the average scenario for taking your Seattle U path.

Now you need to compare that scenario to the best case (making low 6 figures when you graduate) and the worst case (being unemployed when you graduate) and decide whether that amount of risk makes sense for a 31 year old aspiring lawyer. Personally, it would be too risky for me.

Howard Law School... They gave me 10K. If You’re in the top 25% after 1L, they’ll pay for your full tuition 2nd-3rd( what I was told, they have programs for it)year.


Howard's not bad, but $10k is atrocious. Conditional money is no money at all, so forget about all the promises they make about giving you money if, if ,if...

You have no clue how well or poorly you will do in 1L. You could be the top student, you could be below median. Risking your financial well being for the next decade on being in the top 25% is insane.

If you go to Howard, you're gonna graduate with a quarter million in debt unless you happen to qualify for this full ride. If you happen to be in the 75% of Howard students who don't get the full ride and in the 80% of Howard graduates who don't get biglaw, your finances are going to be a nightmare for many many years. God forbid you end up as one of the nearly 40% of Howard grads who don't graduate into a full-time legal job.

To be honest, if I woke up in your shoes tomorrow I wouldn't go to law school. However, there are three paths ahead for you. 1) Keep doing what you're doing and hope that everything works out in your favor; 2) Reconsider retaking the LSAT and use an improved score to try to get more scholarship money and/or admission to schools with a better outcome; 3) do something besides law school.



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