IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

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IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby JCupit1 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:09 am

Good morning everyone,

I have recently been offered a full scholarship to IU Mauer (54,000) a year, 36,000/40,000 as a deans scholar at GMU, and 40K/56k a year to Tulane.

obviously with seat deposit deadlines approaching I have no idea what to do however my interest is mainly in Business law and potentially looking at a JD/MBA. I scored a 164 on LSAT and have a hard science background but really want to pivot and get out of the field.

I went to college in Indiana and my girlfriend still lives there which is a main priority right now however in my opinion it seems like a Tulane degree actually travels well compared to these two other schools. Moreover, Chicago is really the only market for IU that could lead to a large market job. I still am waiting to hear from Fordham, W&L, Vandy, and am waitlisted at NDLS, WashU, and Emory.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, and I am new on here so I am sure I will have left off needed info but feel free to ask for more.

Thanks!

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby blackmamba8 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:08 am

Where do you want to work after law school? All 3 schools are regional, though I'm biased in favor of IU, lol.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby JCupit1 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:18 pm

My goal would to end up in the Nashville area, however I am originally from Texas and have gone to school in Indiana so really the deciding factor is where my girlfriend gets into CRNA school. From what I’ve heard from several attorneys it sounds like Tulane actually has a national reach. Their last ABA shows 30+ students in NY last year.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby sparkytrainer » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:37 pm

JCupit1 wrote:My goal would to end up in the Nashville area, however I am originally from Texas and have gone to school in Indiana so really the deciding factor is where my girlfriend gets into CRNA school. From what I’ve heard from several attorneys it sounds like Tulane actually has a national reach. Their last ABA shows 30+ students in NY last year.


If you think Tulane has national reach, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. There are exactly 13 schools with national reach.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby blackmamba8 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:47 pm

Tulane doesn't have national reach. You have to go to a T-13 for that. Did you apply to Vandy? They would likely be your best bet if you want to end up in Nashville.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby JCupit1 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:10 pm

So my question is, how does a regional school place 56 students of 156 into Louisiana, 20 to NY, 20 to Texas and scatter 60+ into various states in the surrounding states. example GMU places 90% into DC and VA this means regional to me from official ABA disclosures, as with IU, 80 percent Indiana and Illinois.


and yes I have however it takes about a year to hear back from Vanderbilt and Fordham.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby sparkytrainer » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:01 pm

JCupit1 wrote:So my question is, how does a regional school place 56 students of 156 into Louisiana, 20 to NY, 20 to Texas and scatter 60+ into various states in the surrounding states. example GMU places 90% into DC and VA this means regional to me from official ABA disclosures, as with IU, 80 percent Indiana and Illinois.


and yes I have however it takes about a year to hear back from Vanderbilt and Fordham.


You are assuming those people are leaving Tulane and LA and getting full-time legal jobs in other states. The truth is they are not. Only 65% of Tulane grads get a full time legal job. That is brutal. That is barely more than half of the class working as lawyers.

What is likely happening, as you can see from the data, is that people are moving home or other states and not getting legal jobs, but finding work doing something non-legal. This backs up all our assertions that Tulane is a regional school. Those who are finding full time LEGAL jobs are finding them in the LA and a handful in Texas. The others are moving home and working as paralegals or bartenders. There is nothing in the data that indicates anything other than Tulane is a marginal school without national placement. Same goes for your other choices.

Just look at the data. https://www.lstreports.com/schools/tulane/jobs/

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby JCupit1 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:31 pm

so basically choose none is your answer?

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby sparkytrainer » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:07 pm

JCupit1 wrote:so basically choose none is your answer?


Yeah because they are garbage schools.

GMU only has a 62.5% long term legal employment. That is garbage. Maybe because it is the worst/one of the bottom 2 law schools in the DC area. DC is the single most competitive legal market and is SUPER oversaturated with lawyers. t13 top 25% kids fail to get jobs in DC.

https://www.lstreports.com/schools/gmu/jobs/

UI is not much better at 67.2%. That is BRUTAL as well. Not quite GMU, but all three of these choices are not good for even getting jobs in the local area, let alone nationally.

https://www.lstreports.com/schools/indiana/jobs/

It may be defensible to go to somewhere like UI for free with the goal of a 40k a year shit law job in Indiana, because that is by and far the likeliest outcome.

This is not me just hating on schools, this is data showing how awful these schools are at getting their students employment, let alone employment that may have a chance of ever paying off their loans.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby JCupit1 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:02 pm

Yea I’m not worried about being a lawyer in the general sense hence the mba aspect brotha.

Who hurt you?

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby sparkytrainer » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:47 pm

JCupit1 wrote:Yea I’m not worried about being a lawyer in the general sense hence the mba aspect brotha.

Who hurt you?


Then why waste time in law school? Also, you realize that MBA's tend to be EVEN MORE school selective than law right? Its the M7 and everyone else.

Seriously why law school if you dont want to be a lawyer? Also I rather present you with the facts and actual outcomes than you pretending otherwise. Remember, for every 2 law school graduates, there is statistically only 1 job available.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby JCupit1 » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:10 pm

Executive consultant for a firm or any exec position needs jd credentials these days. Also mark Cuban and hundreds of industrial leaders went to Kelley at IU. Moreover if every successful lawyer went to Harvard Yale and Columbia etc... none of these schools would hold endowments to give me full rides.

Where did you go to school pray tell?

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby sparkytrainer » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:15 pm

JCupit1 wrote:Executive consultant for a firm or any exec position needs jd credentials these days. Also mark Cuban and hundreds of industrial leaders went to Kelley at IU. Moreover if every successful lawyer went to Harvard Yale and Columbia etc... none of these schools would hold endowments to give me full rides.

Where did you go to school pray tell?


Good luck, you didn't come here for advice, you came here for self-serving confirmation. Best of luck, you will need it.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby nixy » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:37 pm

sparkytrainer wrote:
JCupit1 wrote:so basically choose none is your answer?


Yeah because they are garbage schools.

GMU only has a 62.5% long term legal employment. That is garbage. Maybe because it is the worst/one of the bottom 2 law schools in the DC area. DC is the single most competitive legal market and is SUPER oversaturated with lawyers. t13 top 25% kids fail to get jobs in DC.

https://www.lstreports.com/schools/gmu/jobs/

UI is not much better at 67.2%. That is BRUTAL as well. Not quite GMU, but all three of these choices are not good for even getting jobs in the local area, let alone nationally.

https://www.lstreports.com/schools/indiana/jobs/

It may be defensible to go to somewhere like UI for free with the goal of a 40k a year shit law job in Indiana, because that is by and far the likeliest outcome.

This is not me just hating on schools, this is data showing how awful these schools are at getting their students employment, let alone employment that may have a chance of ever paying off their loans.

I mean, you have a really broad definition of garbage and shit law, when the numbers are what they are and what you really mean is "not biglaw or federal clerk." Those are not terrible odds at getting a job. They're obviously not as good as the top schools, but they're also not abysmal, and the options are not some kind of binary "acceptable" (T14) or "garbage" (everyone else). I wouldn't recommend someone pay sticker, but for free (like IUB) it's not a terrible risk. I'm not suggesting the OP go to IUB because they want to end up in Nashville, and that doesn't make sense. But for someone who actually wanted to be in Indiana, a free ride to Indiana is not a bad option. There's more than shitlaw in local/regional jobs, and if someone (like the OP) is going for free (well, COL), paying the loans back isn't a huge issue.

I get that you, personally, wouldn't take the odds at these schools. That doesn't mean they're terrible odds for everyone.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby deadpanic » Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:26 am

So your goal is a consultant or executive in Nashville and you are thinking about a state law school in Indiana, one in New Orleans, and one in Virginia? Do you realize how wild that sounds?

Sparky is correct and I think you are just looking for some confirmation. Citing Mark Cuban is...not helpful.

If you're fine with a small law job in Indiana, go to IU I suppose, but doing that (along with an MBA) is not going to get you your desired job or location.

JCupit1 wrote:Executive consultant for a firm or any exec position needs jd credentials these days. Also mark Cuban and hundreds of industrial leaders went to Kelley at IU. Moreover if every successful lawyer went to Harvard Yale and Columbia etc... none of these schools would hold endowments to give me full rides.

Where did you go to school pray tell?

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby cedarseoul » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:12 am

FWIW, I graded from IU Maurer in 2015, and most of my classmates who actually took law schools seriously (studied, got involved in stuff, hustled for jobs) are now employed in decent legal jobs. Not primarily biglaw, though I have plenty of friends in Chicago, and I summered at one of the smaller Jones Day locations. It's entirely possible to make IU work, and Bloomington is a lovely place to live / attend school. But don't expect to land NYC biglaw unless you have top grades or strong ties.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby blackmamba8 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:41 am

Mark Cuban went to IU for undergrad, so that piece of anecdotal evidence is completely irrelevant, OP.

A full-ride to IU isn't a bad outcome if you're looking to stick around Indiana. However, chances are you won't get your desired outcome from that school.

Look, I turned down a full-ride + stipend to IU because I wouldn't be able to reach my goals from there. It's not a bad school, but the reality is that it's a regional school and if you wouldn't be happy ending up in Indiana then you shouldn't attend. For your goals you should retake, reapply, or both.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby JCupit1 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:01 pm

I still have to hear from W&L, vandy, Fordham, and GW. Most likely will get into 1 minimum with my scores.

It makes no sense to me how one can get into the 32 best school with a full ride and get waitlisted to 25 this whole process has been so strange.

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Re: IU Mauer vs. GMU vs. Tulane

Postby cjg243 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:17 pm

JD/MBA at a T14/M7 here. The advice you've been getting here may sound harsh, but for the most part it reflects the realities of the job market - both legal and post-MBA. However, it is tough to give you good advice without more information. The MBA application process and recruitment for post-MBA jobs is much different than the process for law. Feel free to share more on both your background and your goals, but as of now, none of those law schools are going to set you up well to become an executive in Nashville (way too broad of a goal for MBA applications by the way) anytime soon.



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