Emory vs UGA vs Alabama vs Louisville vs figuring my life out

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Emory vs UGA vs Alabama vs Louisville vs figuring my life out

Postby collapsingstar » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:05 pm

Help please? I applied to way too many schools throughout the midwest and south and feel overwhelmed, but I’ve narrowed it to these main four. I’d like to live and work in Nashville long term, as it’s the closest city to where my family lives on the KY/TN border. No lawyers in my family, and minimal ties that would actually help me land a job there though. I currently live in Chicago, and I'd like to have a decent chance at moving back if my fiancé can’t stand living anywhere else. So job prospects beyond the immediate region are very important to me, which I’m guessing pretty directly weighs against my aversion to debt. I’m leaning towards civil litigation or criminal law, but ultimately keeping an open mind about specialties.

My offers:
-University of Louisville: $0k/year (no strings)
-University of Alabama: $12k/year (could reduce to $5k for 2-3L if I get in-state status)
-University of Georgia: $12k/year (could increase to $30k if I don’t get in-state status)
-Emory: $17k/year

This only accounts for tuition. COL doesn’t really factor in for me, as my fiancé is moving with me and would make proportionally more in more expensive locations. He’s fine with following me anywhere and supporting us while I’m in school (and then ideally he won’t have to work once I start working). All offers are low enough to rely on federal loans for tuition, so my debt wouldn’t be totally crushing, probably? The option of going to Louisville for free and taking my chances in the job market is tempting though.

I haven’t heard from Vanderbilt or UTKnoxville yet. I have visits scheduled for all four of the above listed, which will hopefully help me differentiate and feel out the best fit. I’m wondering what people here think about relative quality of education and experience at each, and whether the higher price tag for Emory would be worth it, especially.

My UGPA from Northwestern is 3.1 and LSAT is 166, taken twice. I’m in a non-professional job during my gap year and set on attending this fall.

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Re: Emory vs UGA vs Alabama vs Louisville vs figuring my life out

Postby dn2017 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:41 pm

These are very different schools

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Re: Emory vs UGA vs Alabama vs Louisville vs figuring my life out

Postby DowsingForAJD » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:49 pm

This forum has been really quiet lately so I'm not sure you'll find much help here. I'm a 0L so I don't really feel qualified to help you work through this but I encourage you to check out other websites that may be a little more active (like top-law-schools.com)

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Re: Emory vs UGA vs Alabama vs Louisville vs figuring my life out

Postby deadpanic » Tue Feb 06, 2018 10:34 am

The education is going to be the same at pretty much all of these law schools. The feel/fit is really not that important for law school.

None of those are particularly great for Nashville as you probably already know.

Wait until you hear from UT although I'm not sure they are as generous with $$ as Bama, UGA and Louisville.

UGA and Bama are both okay for that price, but do not fit your geographic goals. They are also larger college towns with not much employment for your fiance. I'm sure the top students have a shot at BigLaw in Atlanta, Birmingham, or even Nashville, but the odds are not good at all. It is likely the same for Emory, maybe just slightly better.

Louisville for free is a good deal, but you need to be okay with working in Louisville.

If you get into Vandy, you are likely looking at 6 figures of debt and that is not worth it.

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Re: Emory vs UGA vs Alabama vs Louisville vs figuring my life out

Postby CanadianWolf » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:49 pm

Georgia & Alabama are both excellent law schools, as is Emory.

Unfamiliar with Louisville, but like the price.

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Re: Emory vs UGA vs Alabama vs Louisville vs figuring my life out

Postby deadpanic » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:15 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:Georgia & Alabama are both excellent law schools, as is Emory.


Be cautious with this advice. They are excellent law schools if you want to work in their respective states. Louisville is just as "excellent" as UGA or Bama if OP wanted to work in Louisville.

However, OP has no ties to Georgia or Alabama and a desire to practice in Nashville. For that reason, these are not excellent schools to consider.

So, let's just say you attend Bama gunning for Nashville. Check how few Summer Associate slots are open and the offer rates. Check with each school and see what firms come to OCI from Nashville.

These are your potential outcomes:

1. You end up in the top 5-10% of students and are 1 or the few students that receive a SA position at a large law firm in Nashville. You are also going up against T-14 students, Vandy, Memphis, UT, other similar SEC schools, and others. Least likely outcome. I would include federal clerkships here.

2. You intern every single summer at the DA/PD in Nashville for free and hope they have a slot open after you pass the Tennessee bar in 3 years. Will take a lot of luck and will have to be fully committed to PI your entire time in law school.

3. You intern for a small firm in the area that gives you an offer after taking the bar in a few years that pays little (or maybe just is an "eat what you kill type place). You are also going up against Nashville SOL grads (not accredited, but small firm alums are abundant from this school in the area), Belmont (new, but respected institution there), UTenn, Vandy, etc.

The schools are mostly fine at that price point, just not good or likely for Nashville.

Your best option is Vandy at around 60ishk COA or UT at around 40ishk COA. I just don't think Vandy is going to be possible for that price with your numbers.

Best of luck! Nashville is awesome, but highly competitive because of how awesome it is with a relatively small legal market for its size. Kind of similar to Austin.

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Re: Emory vs UGA vs Alabama vs Louisville vs figuring my life out

Postby collapsingstar » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:33 pm

Thanks, I really appreciate the advice here. I know Vandy is out of my reach, so hopefully UT will hurry up and get back to me. I’m also accepted to Memphis, but with minimal scholarship despite being well above their numbers (only $ was reduction to in-state, so 19k/year). Should I try to negotiate with them? Would it make more sense to go to an unranked school in the state where I want to practice than to take one of my other options?

I’m also not opposed to working in Atlanta for ~5 years and moving to Nashville later if I can land another job. Is that at all realistic?

deadpanic wrote:Best of luck! Nashville is awesome, but highly competitive because of how awesome it is with a relatively small legal market for its size. Kind of similar to Austin.


Agreed! It’s a wonderful place, and hopefully my personal ties will count for something when I’m job hunting. While I’m not directly related to any lawyers, I am starting to hear from family members about their connections, so my ties might not be totally useless for internship opportunities, maybe. Also hoping the legal market there grows in the next few years, as long as the city keeps its current pace.

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Re: Emory vs UGA vs Alabama vs Louisville vs figuring my life out

Postby beinghuman » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:22 am

I'd say figure your life out first. None of these schools has a national reach so you will be, to various degrees, geographically limited.
Vandy would be a much better choice, although it does not guarantee you much either.

collapsingstar wrote:Help please? I applied to way too many schools throughout the midwest and south and feel overwhelmed, but I’ve narrowed it to these main four. I’d like to live and work in Nashville long term, as it’s the closest city to where my family lives on the KY/TN border. No lawyers in my family, and minimal ties that would actually help me land a job there though. I currently live in Chicago, and I'd like to have a decent chance at moving back if my fiancé can’t stand living anywhere else. So job prospects beyond the immediate region are very important to me, which I’m guessing pretty directly weighs against my aversion to debt. I’m leaning towards civil litigation or criminal law, but ultimately keeping an open mind about specialties.

My offers:
-University of Louisville: $0k/year (no strings)
-University of Alabama: $12k/year (could reduce to $5k for 2-3L if I get in-state status)
-University of Georgia: $12k/year (could increase to $30k if I don’t get in-state status)
-Emory: $17k/year

This only accounts for tuition. COL doesn’t really factor in for me, as my fiancé is moving with me and would make proportionally more in more expensive locations. He’s fine with following me anywhere and supporting us while I’m in school (and then ideally he won’t have to work once I start working). All offers are low enough to rely on federal loans for tuition, so my debt wouldn’t be totally crushing, probably? The option of going to Louisville for free and taking my chances in the job market is tempting though.

I haven’t heard from Vanderbilt or UTKnoxville yet. I have visits scheduled for all four of the above listed, which will hopefully help me differentiate and feel out the best fit. I’m wondering what people here think about relative quality of education and experience at each, and whether the higher price tag for Emory would be worth it, especially.

My UGPA from Northwestern is 3.1 and LSAT is 166, taken twice. I’m in a non-professional job during my gap year and set on attending this fall.

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Re: Emory vs UGA vs Alabama vs Louisville vs figuring my life out

Postby deadpanic » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:21 pm

collapsingstar wrote:Thanks, I really appreciate the advice here. I know Vandy is out of my reach, so hopefully UT will hurry up and get back to me. I’m also accepted to Memphis, but with minimal scholarship despite being well above their numbers (only $ was reduction to in-state, so 19k/year). Should I try to negotiate with them? Would it make more sense to go to an unranked school in the state where I want to practice than to take one of my other options?

I’m also not opposed to working in Atlanta for ~5 years and moving to Nashville later if I can land another job. Is that at all realistic?

deadpanic wrote:Best of luck! Nashville is awesome, but highly competitive because of how awesome it is with a relatively small legal market for its size. Kind of similar to Austin.


Agreed! It’s a wonderful place, and hopefully my personal ties will count for something when I’m job hunting. While I’m not directly related to any lawyers, I am starting to hear from family members about their connections, so my ties might not be totally useless for internship opportunities, maybe. Also hoping the legal market there grows in the next few years, as long as the city keeps its current pace.


If you are okay with working in Atlanta then I would say UGA or Emory. I think they are basically peer schools, but your fiance will obviously have much better employment opportunities in Atlanta than Athens so I would say that may be worth the extra 5k/year.

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Re: Emory vs UGA vs Alabama vs Louisville vs figuring my life out

Postby deadpanic » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:22 pm

Oh, and I would not bother negotiating with Memphis. They do not give out much money and most grads work in Memphis or West TN. Any of the few firms coming to OCI there will likely keep you in Memphis.




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