Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby guynourmin » Tue May 09, 2017 3:51 pm

shadowfax wrote:I'm just not sure where you prefer living NYC or Boston while going to law school should be the deciding factor.


they said there's a child with childcare-related things all situated in NYC and an SO with a job, not simply an NYC preference.

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby rpupkin » Tue May 09, 2017 3:51 pm

shadowfax wrote:I'm just not sure where you prefer living NYC or Boston while going to law school should be the deciding factor. If it was Ann Arbor or Palo Alto maybe. For the same money you go to Harvard every time.

Agreed with the bolded, but there's a lot more going on for the OP here that just geographic whims. OP has a SO with a job in NYC and child care issues.

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby shadowfax » Tue May 09, 2017 4:09 pm

My fault. I read the op comments of kindalike that and sorta similar to that and keep my life style and inconvenient as less than concrete. Sorry.

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby lawlorbust » Tue May 09, 2017 4:25 pm

Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?


Are you drunk posting?

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue May 09, 2017 4:49 pm

lawlorbust wrote:
Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?


Are you drunk posting?

:?:

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby existentialcrisis » Tue May 09, 2017 4:55 pm

Studybuddy17 wrote:
guybourdin wrote:
Studybuddy17 wrote: The inconveniences are quite large but are not financial, merely lifestyle.


but what are they? Like, if you have a 4 year old and have already gotten them into the kindergarten of your dreams, then giving up that spot and moving to Boston would seem like a huge inconvenience. If you just know all your favorite spots in nyc, that's not "quite large" at all.

They are along the lines of SO leaving current employment, and childcare related inconveniences


I think that totally justifies going to CLS.

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby Mikey » Tue May 09, 2017 4:56 pm

Given your goals and large want to remain in NYC, just take Columbia. It's a great school and you got money. Congrats!

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby lawlorbust » Tue May 09, 2017 4:57 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
lawlorbust wrote:
Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?


Are you drunk posting?

:?:


Sorry what I meant to say was that if OP were picking law schools based solely on AIII outcomes alone, the numbers do show that he'd be better off at ND, W&L, UNC-Chapel Hill, Georgia, Minnesota, UC-Davis, Richmond, Utah or Arkansas. That said, since he's trying to stay in the NYC area, I suppose that Columbia does marginally better than BLS, Cardozo, Fordham and NYLS.

So my outburst was probably uncalled for.

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby Studybuddy17 » Tue May 09, 2017 5:01 pm

Mikey wrote:Given your goals and large want to remain in NYC, just take Columbia. It's a great school and you got money. Congrats!

Thank you so much!

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby shadowfax » Tue May 09, 2017 5:21 pm

Ok then. You may have your cake and eat it too.

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby jbagelboy » Tue May 09, 2017 5:34 pm

Studybuddy17 wrote:
Mikey wrote:Given your goals and large want to remain in NYC, just take Columbia. It's a great school and you got money. Congrats!

Thank you so much!


Yea, I think the differences between the two schools should not be exaggerated. You'll be fine at Columbia for anything you'd want to do from HLS in New york. PM if you want to discuss clerkships & litigation in New York.

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby Npret » Tue May 09, 2017 5:37 pm

lawlorbust wrote:
Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?


Are you drunk posting?


No. I'm trying to clarify OPs actual goals because OP is vague as hell.

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby Dcc617 » Tue May 09, 2017 5:37 pm

Don't move to Cambridge if doing so would make you really unhappy. The outcomes are pretty similar, and if you really want to be in New York, then fuck it. Do that.

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby Studybuddy17 » Tue May 09, 2017 6:19 pm

Npret wrote:
lawlorbust wrote:
Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?


Are you drunk posting?


No. I'm trying to clarify OPs actual goals because OP is vague as hell.

Not being vague purposefully, don't have full clarity at the moment and just trying to keep future doors open

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby jbagelboy » Tue May 09, 2017 7:25 pm

Studybuddy17 wrote:
Npret wrote:
lawlorbust wrote:
Npret wrote:Why do you think you won't get a clerkship from Columbia but you will from Harvard? What clerkship do you want?


Are you drunk posting?


No. I'm trying to clarify OPs actual goals because OP is vague as hell.

Not being vague purposefully, don't have full clarity at the moment and just trying to keep future doors open


so, the "doors" metaphor does no work in the context of top law schools, since no "doors" are closed or opened by going to one school over another or vise versa. To butcher the already pathetic metaphor, it would be more accurate to state that certain doors swing a slight angle wider, and others are basically open to the same degree

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby rpupkin » Tue May 09, 2017 7:35 pm

jbagelboy wrote: To butcher the already pathetic metaphor, it would be more accurate to state that certain doors swing a slight angle wider, and others are basically open to the same degree

Yep. Look, OP, if you want someone want to tell you that "CLS is exactly the same as HLS for all job opportunities," no one can (truthfully) tell you that. HLS is a little better for most things, including clerkships. If the personal inconvenience you would suffer in moving to Cambridge is worth the slightly better opportunities you'll have coming out of HLS, then go to Harvard. If not, then go to Columbia. There's no right or wrong answer. But to the extent there's a determining factor here, it's a personal one. We can't weight/value the cost of your inconvenience in leaving NYC, so I'm afraid this thread is going to be of limited value.

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby Studybuddy17 » Tue May 09, 2017 7:44 pm

rpupkin wrote:
jbagelboy wrote: To butcher the already pathetic metaphor, it would be more accurate to state that certain doors swing a slight angle wider, and others are basically open to the same degree

Yep. Look, OP, if you want someone want to tell you that "CLS is exactly the same as HLS for all job opportunities," no one can (truthfully) tell you that. HLS is a little better for most things, including clerkships. If the personal inconvenience you would suffer in moving to Cambridge is worth the slightly better opportunities you'll have coming out of HLS, then go to Harvard. If not, then go to Columbia. There's no right or wrong answer. But to the extent that there's a determining factor here, it's a personal one. We can't weight/value the cost of your inconvenience in leaving NYC, so I'm afraid this thread is going to be of limited value.

What you are saying makes alot of sense. As long as the real life differences between the two are not significant, then I would be content with the more convenient choice. However, if there are real benefits to be gained by attending Harvard (i.e. preference over Columbia students in hiring practices) then I obviously would not resign myself to the conveniences, despite their enticement.
What I am taking out from all of the helpful responses is that there is a somewhat tangible, albeit not very significant benefit between the two, and therefore the small benefits of Harvard over Columbia may still be mitigated depending on the level of difficulty involved

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby shadowfax » Tue May 09, 2017 7:55 pm

rpupkin wrote:
jbagelboy wrote: To butcher the already pathetic metaphor, it would be more accurate to state that certain doors swing a slight angle wider, and others are basically open to the same degree

Yep. Look, OP, if you want someone want to tell you that "CLS is exactly the same as HLS for all job opportunities," no one can (truthfully) tell you that. HLS is a little better for most things, including clerkships. If the personal inconvenience you would suffer in moving to Cambridge is worth the slightly better opportunities you'll have coming out of HLS, then go to Harvard. If not, then go to Columbia. There's no right or wrong answer. But to the extent there's a determining factor here, it's a personal one. We can't weight/value the cost of your inconvenience in leaving NYC, so I'm afraid this thread is going to be of limited value.


180....perfectly stated

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby Art1Judge » Tue May 09, 2017 11:36 pm

New to this forum, here are my thoughts. If you plan on working in NYC after law school then Columbia might have an edge. Anywhere else, in my humble opinion HLS has the edge, especially with federal judicial clerkships.

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Re: Harvard ($) vs. Columbia ($ + convenience)

Postby jb111 » Wed May 10, 2017 5:25 pm

rpupkin wrote:
jbagelboy wrote: To butcher the already pathetic metaphor, it would be more accurate to state that certain doors swing a slight angle wider, and others are basically open to the same degree

Yep. Look, OP, if you want someone want to tell you that "CLS is exactly the same as HLS for all job opportunities," no one can (truthfully) tell you that. HLS is a little better for most things, including clerkships. If the personal inconvenience you would suffer in moving to Cambridge is worth the slightly better opportunities you'll have coming out of HLS, then go to Harvard. If not, then go to Columbia. There's no right or wrong answer. But to the extent there's a determining factor here, it's a personal one. We can't weight/value the cost of your inconvenience in leaving NYC, so I'm afraid this thread is going to be of limited value.


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