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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby dabigchina » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:29 pm

Alexandros wrote:
dabigchina wrote:http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/inside-minds-rubenstein-scholars-featuring-class-2017

Here are some Ruby recipients. Check out what they are doing, OP.

Also, just for my own gratification, does the Rubenstein come with a COL stipend as well?

... That's a fed clerkship rate of 71%. Damn.

Majority of them are COA or in desireable districts too.

I had no idea Chicago placed so well in the 9th cir. Chicago is doing a good job with these people.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby KMart » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:40 pm

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SeewhathappensLarry wrote:
guybourdin wrote:I think Ruby is the best possible LS outcome by a decent margin.


Should be a no-brainer.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby rpupkin » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:54 pm

dabigchina wrote:I had no idea Chicago placed so well in the 9th cir.

It generally doesn't. These Ruby scholars really stand out.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby shadowfax » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:53 pm

Ruby...Congrats

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby jbagelboy » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:54 pm

Lordcarnus123 wrote:
Npret wrote:Ruby

Defend.


Substantially similar opportunities with far fewer limitations imposed by finances. If you decline the Ruby you will be dooming yourself to years of loan payments for little to no perceivable upside. The Rubenstein is the best law school outcome. Its a huge deal. Take it and never look back.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby jbagelboy » Sat Apr 29, 2017 2:55 pm

SeewhathappensLarry wrote:
guybourdin wrote:I think Ruby is the best possible LS outcome by a decent margin.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby shadowfax » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:17 pm

It is a superb opportunity. Full need to YSH however is the best possible.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby Rigo » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:21 pm

shadowfax wrote:It is a superb opportunity. Full need to YSH however is the best possible.

That's still $150k+ in debt.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby Desert Fox » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:22 pm

Npret wrote:
Rigo wrote:
magnum_law wrote:Majority of those Ruby recipients look like aspies tho. OP better go 2 HLS

OP was sure to hit us with ceteris paribus so Chicago might be a good fit.

Also,
"Defend."

could go either way though
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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby jbagelboy » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:36 pm

shadowfax wrote:It is a superb opportunity. Full need to YSH however is the best possible.


even by this logic, full need to yale is the best possible. and that's not on the table.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby shadowfax » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:03 pm

jbagelboy wrote:
shadowfax wrote:It is a superb opportunity. Full need to YSH however is the best possible.


even by this logic, full need to yale is the best possible. and that's not on the table.


At the Climate Rally in DC (record warmth... who says nature doesn't have a sense of humor) so I guess i'm feeling very small d... democratic at the moment. I'll bet half the named scholly winners don't even need the money. Kind of like hearing that Zuckerburg wins the state lotto. Interesting but somehow not cosmically just. Yale need based would be life altering for someone who truly needs it. Anyway back to the barricades.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby jbagelboy » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:15 pm

shadowfax wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:
shadowfax wrote:It is a superb opportunity. Full need to YSH however is the best possible.


even by this logic, full need to yale is the best possible. and that's not on the table.


At the Climate Rally in DC (record warmth... who says nature doesn't have a sense of humor) so I guess i'm feeling very small d... democratic at the moment. I'll bet half the named scholly winners don't even need the money. Kind of like hearing that Zuckerburg wins the state lotto. Interesting but somehow not cosmically just. Yale need based would be life altering for someone who truly needs it. Anyway back to the barricades.


This is pretty much nonsensical, but bravo on attending the march so all is forgiven. I'm walking alongside the march right now as well, ironically. Perhaps we'll share some unwitting glances. And yes its quite sticky today.
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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby Alexandros » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:15 pm

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby shadowfax » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:17 pm

guybourdin wrote:I think Ruby is the best possible LS outcome by a decent margin.


I was responding to this general statement. Nothing more. I already said Ruby for the op. No brainer.

I've stated before that only HYS offer the right kind of aid. The rest is bullshit.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby enoca » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:36 pm

Ruby seems like the obvious answer. If you are still leaning Harvard, why not elaborate why? That way people can address any specific concerns you have.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby QuentonCassidy » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:41 pm

Shadowfax you've got a pretty weird schtick going on, but w/e.

OP, I want to tack on my congratulations and pile on the advice of taking the Ruby and never looking back. A couple of things that too often get overlooked are that even if someone gets max aid at H they still have to take out loans of $48k every year, and that if you plan on working at a firm 1L and/or 2L summer you can kiss most of your grant aid goodbye. Even for someone getting full grant aid at H, Ruby saves at least 150k and likely much more. Difference in outcomes from H and Chi are marginal at most; take the money and run.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby Desert Fox » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:31 pm

Yhs need aid is flame. No matter how poor you were, you aren't after you go to yhs.
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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby Mr_Chukes » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:01 am

If you don't take that Ruby and run OP there is seriously something wrong with you.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby Dcc617 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:10 am

QuentonCassidy wrote:Shadowfax you've got a pretty weird schtick going on, but w/e.

OP, I want to tack on my congratulations and pile on the advice of taking the Ruby and never looking back. A couple of things that too often get overlooked are that even if someone gets max aid at H they still have to take out loans of $48k every year, and that if you plan on working at a firm 1L and/or 2L summer you can kiss most of your grant aid goodbye. Even for someone getting full grant aid at H, Ruby saves at least 150k and likely much more. Difference in outcomes from H and Chi are marginal at most; take the money and run.


OP, this is now two current Harvard students telling you you'd be dumb to take 200K+ in loans to go to Harvard when you can go to Chicago for free. Harvard is not 200K+ better.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby Nebby » Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:18 am

Npret wrote:Ruby

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby Lordcarnus123 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:23 pm

enoca wrote:Ruby seems like the obvious answer. If you are still leaning Harvard, why not elaborate why? That way people can address any specific concerns you have.

Fair. Off the top of my head why HLS isn't completely out of the picture:
1. Quarter system/semester system, and grades. At HLS everybody sounded a lot more relaxed about them, whereas Chicago students emphasized to me how stressed the rhythm of the quarter and fine differentiation in final grade made everyone.
2. Honestly, the name. This is not me willfully ignoring peoples' notions that the H brand provides marginal lift at best. Rather, I've only seen it taken as a given on TLS that HLS is hardly ever worth it. So I'm asking for an affirmative argument for the following: any long-term career benefit of H over C is marginal at best. Exactly how is it marginal, and what do these margins look like?

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby jbagelboy » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:27 pm

Lordcarnus123 wrote:
enoca wrote:Ruby seems like the obvious answer. If you are still leaning Harvard, why not elaborate why? That way people can address any specific concerns you have.

Fair. Off the top of my head why HLS isn't completely out of the picture:
1. Quarter system/semester system, and grades. At HLS everybody sounded a lot more relaxed about them, whereas Chicago students emphasized to me how stressed the rhythm of the quarter and fine differentiation in final grade made everyone.
2. Honestly, the name. This is not me willfully ignoring peoples' notions that the H brand provides marginal lift at best. Rather, I've only seen it taken as a given on TLS that HLS is hardly ever worth it. So I'm asking for an affirmative argument for the following: any long-term career benefit of H over C is marginal at best. Exactly how is it marginal, and what do these margins look like?


the margin is small, and it becomes smaller approaching zero the further out you are from school and getting your first job.

fyi, practicing attorney

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby Lordcarnus123 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:28 pm

jbagelboy wrote:
Lordcarnus123 wrote:
enoca wrote:Ruby seems like the obvious answer. If you are still leaning Harvard, why not elaborate why? That way people can address any specific concerns you have.

Fair. Off the top of my head why HLS isn't completely out of the picture:
1. Quarter system/semester system, and grades. At HLS everybody sounded a lot more relaxed about them, whereas Chicago students emphasized to me how stressed the rhythm of the quarter and fine differentiation in final grade made everyone.
2. Honestly, the name. This is not me willfully ignoring peoples' notions that the H brand provides marginal lift at best. Rather, I've only seen it taken as a given on TLS that HLS is hardly ever worth it. So I'm asking for an affirmative argument for the following: any long-term career benefit of H over C is marginal at best. Exactly how is it marginal, and what do these margins look like?


the margin is small, and it becomes smaller approaching zero the further out you are from school and getting your first job.

fyi, practicing attorney

Right, can you elaborate a bit? Also, are you in biglaw? I understand if biglaw is the goal then no question take the money and run.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby rpupkin » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:51 pm

Lordcarnus123 wrote:
enoca wrote:Ruby seems like the obvious answer. If you are still leaning Harvard, why not elaborate why? That way people can address any specific concerns you have.

Fair. Off the top of my head why HLS isn't completely out of the picture:
1. Quarter system/semester system, and grades. At HLS everybody sounded a lot more relaxed about them, whereas Chicago students emphasized to me how stressed the rhythm of the quarter and fine differentiation in final grade made everyone.
2. Honestly, the name. This is not me willfully ignoring peoples' notions that the H brand provides marginal lift at best. Rather, I've only seen it taken as a given on TLS that HLS is hardly ever worth it. So I'm asking for an affirmative argument for the following: any long-term career benefit of H over C is marginal at best. Exactly how is it marginal, and what do these margins look like?


Go to Harvard.

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Re: Ruby from left field... HLS vs Chicago?

Postby UVA2B » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:54 pm

rpupkin wrote:
Lordcarnus123 wrote:
enoca wrote:Ruby seems like the obvious answer. If you are still leaning Harvard, why not elaborate why? That way people can address any specific concerns you have.

Fair. Off the top of my head why HLS isn't completely out of the picture:
1. Quarter system/semester system, and grades. At HLS everybody sounded a lot more relaxed about them, whereas Chicago students emphasized to me how stressed the rhythm of the quarter and fine differentiation in final grade made everyone.
2. Honestly, the name. This is not me willfully ignoring peoples' notions that the H brand provides marginal lift at best. Rather, I've only seen it taken as a given on TLS that HLS is hardly ever worth it. So I'm asking for an affirmative argument for the following: any long-term career benefit of H over C is marginal at best. Exactly how is it marginal, and what do these margins look like?


Go to Harvard.


Free up that Ruby for someone who fully realizes the value of the offer they have in hand.



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