Think Twice about UMN as an International Student/Ethnical Student

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Re: Think Twice about UMN as an International Student/Ethnical Student

Postby UVA2B » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:04 pm

URMSenator52 wrote:Should of went to school in NYC,DC, or Philly. If you wanted diversity,and inclusion. Minnesota is a random choice, with no lucrative legal market. Your judgment of school attendance,based off these factors is flawed.. The best legal markets,are ironically in very diverse cities. Which is a shocking and sobering phenomenon too most TLS users..


This is a dumb post. Minneapolis isn't a huge legal market by any means, but in terms of secondary markets, it's actually a pretty strong one with a bunch of established firms and a sizable enough corporate presence with a bunch of F500 companies HQed there. What exactly constitutes the "best" legal market anyway? Size? Biglaw presence? Number of attorney jobs generally?

So yeah. Dumb.

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Re: Think Twice about UMN as an International Student/Ethnical Student

Postby URMSenator52 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:17 pm

UVA2B wrote:
URMSenator52 wrote:Should of went to school in NYC,DC, or Philly. If you wanted diversity,and inclusion. Minnesota is a random choice, with no lucrative legal market. Your judgment of school attendance,based off these factors is flawed.. The best legal markets,are ironically in very diverse cities. Which is a shocking and sobering phenomenon too most TLS users..


This is a dumb post. Minneapolis isn't a huge legal market by any means, but in terms of secondary markets, it's actually a pretty strong one with a bunch of established firms and a sizable enough corporate presence with a bunch of F500 companies HQed there. What exactly constitutes the "best" legal market anyway? Size? Biglaw presence? Number of attorney jobs generally?

So yeah. Dumb.


So your characterization is dumb. The OP is talking about DIVERSITY. I'm commenting about "best legal markets" for URM pupils. In terms of most diverse prestigious large firms... Since the Fed is harder to attain for LLM students. NYC and DC are the best legal markets point blank. In terms of prestige,jobs,diversity, and importance. UVA is not on the "list" for inclusion for minorities. So you not being a minority, currently attending a very conservative/border line xenophobic school. Clouds your judgment, and credibility, in respect to URM/LLM perspective. Overall in retrospect to Law School location/choice.

So yeah. Dumb.

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Re: Think Twice about UMN as an International Student/Ethnical Student

Postby cavalier1138 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:40 pm

URMSenator52 wrote:
UVA2B wrote:
URMSenator52 wrote:Should of went to school in NYC,DC, or Philly. If you wanted diversity,and inclusion. Minnesota is a random choice, with no lucrative legal market. Your judgment of school attendance,based off these factors is flawed.. The best legal markets,are ironically in very diverse cities. Which is a shocking and sobering phenomenon too most TLS users..


This is a dumb post. Minneapolis isn't a huge legal market by any means, but in terms of secondary markets, it's actually a pretty strong one with a bunch of established firms and a sizable enough corporate presence with a bunch of F500 companies HQed there. What exactly constitutes the "best" legal market anyway? Size? Biglaw presence? Number of attorney jobs generally?

So yeah. Dumb.


So your characterization is dumb. The OP is talking about DIVERSITY. I'm commenting about "best legal markets" for URM pupils. In terms of most diverse prestigious large firms... Since the Fed is harder to attain for LLM students. NYC and DC are the best legal markets point blank. In terms of prestige,jobs,diversity, and importance. UVA is not on the "list" for inclusion for minorities. So you not being a minority, currently attending very conservative/border line xenophobic school. Clouds your judgment, and credibility, in respect to URM/LLM perspective. Overall in retrospect to Law School location/choice.

So yeah. Dumb.


Jesus. Is there even a complete sentence in there?

For starters, the OP isn't a URM. OP is a foreign LLM student. Those are two different things. You're also grossly mischaracterizing UVA. I wouldn't say that any T13 school is all that good for diversity of the student body, but UVA is not particularly bad within that set. It's also not "borderline xenophobic".

Short version: write coherently and try to stick to subject material you understand.

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Re: Think Twice about UMN as an International Student/Ethnical Student

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:00 pm

URMSenator52 wrote:In terms of prestige,jobs,diversity, and importance. UVA is not on the "list" for inclusion for minorities. So you not being a minority, currently attending a very conservative/border line xenophobic school. Clouds your judgment, and credibility, in respect to URM/LLM perspective. Overall in retrospect to Law School location/choice.

WTF? Don't leap to conclusions about other posters.

URMSenator52 wrote:The best legal markets,are ironically in very diverse cities. Which is a shocking and sobering phenomenon too most TLS users..

This doesn't make any sense. I don't think anyone here would be shocked or sobered at all that the markets with the most legal opportunities are the most diverse...they'e major cities. (For that matter, Minneapolis is actually a lot more diverse than people assume.)

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Re: Think Twice about UMN as an International Student/Ethnical Student

Postby URMSenator52 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:11 pm

cavalier1138 wrote:
URMSenator52 wrote:
UVA2B wrote:
URMSenator52 wrote:Should of went to school in NYC,DC, or Philly. If you wanted diversity,and inclusion. Minnesota is a random choice, with no lucrative legal market. Your judgment of school attendance,based off these factors is flawed.. The best legal markets,are ironically in very diverse cities. Which is a shocking and sobering phenomenon too most TLS users..


This is a dumb post. Minneapolis isn't a huge legal market by any means, but in terms of secondary markets, it's actually a pretty strong one with a bunch of established firms and a sizable enough corporate presence with a bunch of F500 companies HQed there. What exactly constitutes the "best" legal market anyway? Size? Biglaw presence? Number of attorney jobs generally?

So yeah. Dumb.


So your characterization is dumb. The OP is talking about DIVERSITY. I'm commenting about "best legal markets" for URM pupils. In terms of most diverse prestigious large firms... Since the Fed is harder to attain for LLM students. NYC and DC are the best legal markets point blank. In terms of prestige,jobs,diversity, and importance. UVA is not on the "list" for inclusion for minorities. So you not being a minority, currently attending very conservative/border line xenophobic school. Clouds your judgment, and credibility, in respect to URM/LLM perspective. Overall in retrospect to Law School location/choice.

So yeah. Dumb.


Jesus. Is there even a complete sentence in there?

For starters, the OP isn't a URM. OP is a foreign LLM student. Those are two different things. You're also grossly mischaracterizing UVA. I wouldn't say that any T13 school is all that good for diversity of the student body, but UVA is not particularly bad within that set. It's also not "borderline xenophobic".

Short version: write coherently and try to stick to subject material you understand.



Jesus. Can you even read, and comprehend the first page? OP: "1. The purpose of this article is to give advice to OTHERS. So others (International Students, African American, Asian, Latino students) would know even without your so-called "smidgen of research."

2. However I would have researched, I could not have imagined that here many local JD students barely talk with international JD and LLMs, not to mention other inclusion matters."

Finally please inform me about UVA , being inclusive? While overall being not borderline xenophobic to minorities/ foreign pupils?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/08/richard-spencer-vows-to-keep-coming-back-to-charlottesville-can-the-city-legally-stop-him/


http://nypost.com/2017/08/12/white-nationalists-carry-torches-shout-racist-slogans-during-march-in-virginia/


http://wina.com/news/064460-racial-slurs-found-at-two-uva-dorms/

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/12/542982015/home-to-university-of-virginia-prepares-for-violence-at-white-nationalist-rally

Virginia, and UVA within the T-14 is the WORST school and state for LLM, and minorities pupils in my opinion. Particularity based off the above information and so much more. Which in retrospect, you have no information or facts. Overall to refute my and the OP's original argument. Strong username to post correlation: "Cavalier"...

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Re: Think Twice about UMN as an International Student/Ethnical Student

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:17 pm

Quit with the personal attacks. Neither Cav nor UVA2B brought up Virginia or made any claims about it. It's a red herring.

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Re: Think Twice about UMN as an International Student/Ethnical Student

Postby UVA2B » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:40 pm

Ok, I'll bite on addressing the assault on UVA (this will be the last time I engage on something so off-topic Nony, I promise), because I think it's an important one (although I'm fully aware that none of this will be satisfying to URMSenator). The environment at UVA and Charlottesville generally is struggling with this very issue, and it is a real one. The rallies happened this summer, and anyone here who is honest with themselves knows that those issues are inextricably tied to the university, its history, and the population surrounding the city. No one can or would dismiss that the rallies and the white supremacist movement focusing on Charlottesville are troubling and worthy of pause for any URM in picking a law school. I would never minimize what those events were, and I won't even go so far as to say "but those were outsiders, not students from UVA" because that's really unfair and wrong. It's a part of the UVA community, and it's a shame for this community and the greater nation at large. I can't speak with any amount of knowledge or experience as a URM at UVA, so you're right that I can't speak to that experience, but what I can say is that the student body isn't struggling with it because we don't want to address it. While Cville will continue to deal with this identity, UVA Law also has been centrally involved in spearheading efforts to figure out what to make of these events, how to address it for minority students at the university, and what the institution needs to do in light of those events. And while those events were traumatic for everyone, and particularly minorities, there is a ton of diversity at the school to be proud of, to include nationally award-winning chapter of BLSA, an active and engaged Lambda community, and pretty robust affinity groups of every minority group, and an administration that is hyper-focused on creating a diverse and inclusive community. The current dean is heading the university-wide committee to address the concerns of minority students in the aftermath of the rallies, and has taken great care to identify systemic issues of racism and discrimination and in the institution. Systemic issues of discrimination are insanely tricky to completely fix, as they are so insidiously hard to define and eliminate, so it will be a continuous and on-going process. But it is at the forefront of the minds of the administration, I promise you.

Back to your slightly less off-topic point about the Minneapolis market. First, it's insanely stupid to compare Minneapolis to NYC and DC for a number of reasons. The sheer number of jobs in those markets dwarfs Minneapolis, so obviously going to a school that places well in NYC or DC would give more opportunities for a minority applicant, but that says nothing of how "good" the Minneapolis market is for a minority student who actually wants to work in Minneapolis. Most (I would say all, but I can't say that with complete confidence) of the major firms in Minneapolis participate in the Minnesota Minority Recruiting Conference, and while I can't guarantee they'll all hire out of the conference from year to year, there is a genuine desire to hire qualified minority candidates. Diverse hiring is genuinely embraced in the Minneapolis market, and while there are less opportunities for a diverse candidate relative to larger markets, I would caution to say that Minneapolis isn't a good market for minority hiring. You could make an argument for similarly sized markets that have a larger diverse population having more opportunities for minorities than Minneapolis (Detroit, St. Louis, etc.), but I've never seen any statistics to actually support that. Diversity in the legal profession generally is a problem that is pretty well-identified, if not actually fully addressed, but that's not unique to Minneapolis either.

Ok, I'm done because this is pretty ridiculous off-topic, considering this was entirely about the UMN, not any of the stuff I just addressed. I promise to not engage you on this any further.

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Re: Think Twice about UMN as an International Student/Ethnical Student

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:29 am

And this cancerous thread refuses to die.

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Re: Think Twice about UMN as an International Student/Ethnical Student

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:28 am

Slippin' Jimmy wrote:And this cancerous thread refuses to die.

Well, it kind of had until you bumped it.

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Re: Think Twice about UMN as an International Student/Ethnical Student

Postby Slippin' Jimmy » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:51 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Slippin' Jimmy wrote:And this cancerous thread refuses to die.

Well, it kind of had until you bumped it.

Well I'm an idiot who can't read post dates.




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