Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby runinthefront » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:10 pm

https://hls.harvard.edu/content/uploads ... duates.pdf

598 graduates
339 biglaw = 56.6%
115 FC = 19.2%

FC + BL = 75.8% (+4.8 )

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby grades?? » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:12 pm

So, Duke has better numbers than UVA (assuming that math was right), Cornell, and Harvard?

YSD confirmed

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Pragmatic Gun » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:16 pm

Lavitz wrote:
runinthefront wrote:http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/careers/aboutus/upload/2016-ABA-Employment-Summary.pdf

looks like 74.4% in 101+ firm gigs & fed clerkships combined

184 graduates
127 in biglaw = 69%
10 in clerkships = 5.4%

(+7.8% increase from the 2015 #s)

There are definitely 11 federal clerks right now, and I wasn't aware any of them were "short-term." I wonder what's up with that.

Oh well. At least we're not c/o 2015.


I'm still counting that short-term clerk as there is a chance they will end up in a Biglaw firm anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's actually an 11.4% increase according to my arithmetic. Either way, it's an upward trend. If we count that short-term clerkship, it would be a 12% increase.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Rigo » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:16 pm

I'm consistently taken aback by just how large H's class is.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Lavitz » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:22 pm

Pragmatic Gun wrote:I'm still counting that short-term clerk as there is a chance they will end up in a Biglaw firm anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's actually an 11.4% increase according to my arithmetic. Either way, it's an upward trend. If we count that short-term clerkship, it would be a 12% increase.

I don't see how you're getting 11.4%?

And I don't really care whether we count the short-term clerk. I'm willing to bet that someone just filled out the form the wrong way. But I also know one of the 11 didn't have a 2L SA, so not guaranteed they get biglaw afterwards.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby UVA2B » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:24 pm

grades?? wrote:So, Duke has better numbers than UVA (assuming that math was right), Cornell, and Harvard?

YSD confirmed


It's possible, but in my ego-driven defense, UVA numbers aren't out yet to prove that. :P

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby UVA2B » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:27 pm

runinthefront wrote:
CR7 wrote:
runinthefront wrote:http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/careers/aboutus/upload/2016-ABA-Employment-Summary.pdf

looks like 74.4% in 101+ firm gigs & fed clerkships combined

184 graduates
127 in biglaw = 69%
10 in clerkships = 5.4%

(+7.8% increase from the 2015 #s)


Curious to see how these numbers compare to Mich. and UVA.

UVA is not "live" yet, but playing around with the URL got me the link

http://www.law.virginia.edu/pdf/aba/2016employment.pdf

330 graduates
206 in biglaw = 62.4%
48 in clerkships = 14.5%

BL + FC = 76.9% (+6.9% from last year's...although I now realize that last year's thread had #s rounded to the nearest whole number. whatevs)


Nvm, missed this

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby RParadela » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:29 pm

UVA2B wrote:
grades?? wrote:So, Duke has better numbers than UVA (assuming that math was right), Cornell, and Harvard?

YSD confirmed


It's possible, but in my ego-driven defense, UVA numbers aren't out yet to prove that. :P


1% point difference, but UVA has better clerkship numbers so

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Pragmatic Gun » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:30 pm

Lavitz wrote:
Pragmatic Gun wrote:I'm still counting that short-term clerk as there is a chance they will end up in a Biglaw firm anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's actually an 11.4% increase according to my arithmetic. Either way, it's an upward trend. If we count that short-term clerkship, it would be a 12% increase.

I don't see how you're getting 11.4%?

And I don't really care whether we count the short-term clerk. I'm willing to bet that someone just filled out the form the wrong way. But I also know one of the 11 didn't have a 2L SA, so not guaranteed they get biglaw afterwards.


All right, let's just get rid of that datum then. Here are my numbers.

Cornell Employment Stats Year 2015 2016
Biglaw (+101 firms) 116 127
federal clerkships 7 10
subtotal 123 137
total fully legal employed 164 166
total graduates 183 184

"quality" job percentage 67.2% 74.5%
percentage employed in legal jobs 89.6% 90.2%

Divide 137 by 123 and you get 1.1138. Multiplying a number by a 1 with decimals after it increases it by a percentage, which are the first two decimal points. In this case, it is 1.1138 (you count the 3 as the decimal point in the percentage.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby grades?? » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:32 pm

RParadela wrote:
UVA2B wrote:
grades?? wrote:So, Duke has better numbers than UVA (assuming that math was right), Cornell, and Harvard?

YSD confirmed


It's possible, but in my ego-driven defense, UVA numbers aren't out yet to prove that. :P


1% point difference, but UVA has better clerkship numbers so


I don't know where you see that. The Duke numbers has 15.6% fed clerkship, and the UVA has 14.5%. So its higher for Duke in combined numbers and clerkship numbers too.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Lavitz » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:39 pm

Pragmatic Gun wrote:
Lavitz wrote:
Pragmatic Gun wrote:I'm still counting that short-term clerk as there is a chance they will end up in a Biglaw firm anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's actually an 11.4% increase according to my arithmetic. Either way, it's an upward trend. If we count that short-term clerkship, it would be a 12% increase.

I don't see how you're getting 11.4%?

And I don't really care whether we count the short-term clerk. I'm willing to bet that someone just filled out the form the wrong way. But I also know one of the 11 didn't have a 2L SA, so not guaranteed they get biglaw afterwards.


All right, let's just get rid of that datum then. Here are my numbers.

Cornell Employment Stats Year 2015 2016
Biglaw (+101 firms) 116 127
federal clerkships 7 10
subtotal 123 137
total fully legal employed 164 166
total graduates 183 184

"quality" job percentage 67.2% 74.5%
percentage employed in legal jobs 89.6% 90.2%

Divide 137 by 123 and you get 1.1138. Multiplying a number by a 1 with decimals after it increases it by a percentage, which are the first two decimal points. In this case, it is 1.1138 (you count the 3 as the decimal point in the percentage.

Oh. Yeah, we don't do it like that. Like if there's an increase from 2% to 3%, we say it increased by 1%, not 50%.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby bitter_melon » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:52 pm

Lavitz wrote:
Pragmatic Gun wrote:
Lavitz wrote:
Pragmatic Gun wrote:I'm still counting that short-term clerk as there is a chance they will end up in a Biglaw firm anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's actually an 11.4% increase according to my arithmetic. Either way, it's an upward trend. If we count that short-term clerkship, it would be a 12% increase.

I don't see how you're getting 11.4%?

And I don't really care whether we count the short-term clerk. I'm willing to bet that someone just filled out the form the wrong way. But I also know one of the 11 didn't have a 2L SA, so not guaranteed they get biglaw afterwards.


All right, let's just get rid of that datum then. Here are my numbers.

Cornell Employment Stats Year 2015 2016
Biglaw (+101 firms) 116 127
federal clerkships 7 10
subtotal 123 137
total fully legal employed 164 166
total graduates 183 184

"quality" job percentage 67.2% 74.5%
percentage employed in legal jobs 89.6% 90.2%

Divide 137 by 123 and you get 1.1138. Multiplying a number by a 1 with decimals after it increases it by a percentage, which are the first two decimal points. In this case, it is 1.1138 (you count the 3 as the decimal point in the percentage.

Oh. Yeah, we don't do it like that. Like if there's an increase from 2% to 3%, we say it increased by 1%, not 50%.


Technically, you should say that it increased by one percentage point, 1% indicates that something increased from 100-101, not from 2-3, which would be 50% but one percentage point.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby RedPurpleBlue » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:55 pm

For some reason, it really bothers me that Nebby put U of Penn and not just Penn. Absolutely triggered.

ETA: Nebby is based for listening to my petty criticism and changing it to Penn.
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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Lavitz » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:04 pm

bitter_melon wrote:Technically, you should say that it increased by one percentage point, 1% indicates that something increased from 100-101, not from 2-3, which would be 50% but one percentage point.

Yeah, I know there's a more technical way to phrase it, but we do whatever the method is in the OP.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby RParadela » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:12 pm

grades?? wrote:
RParadela wrote:
UVA2B wrote:
grades?? wrote:So, Duke has better numbers than UVA (assuming that math was right), Cornell, and Harvard?

YSD confirmed


It's possible, but in my ego-driven defense, UVA numbers aren't out yet to prove that. :P


1% point difference, but UVA has better clerkship numbers so


I don't know where you see that. The Duke numbers has 15.6% fed clerkship, and the UVA has 14.5%. So its higher for Duke in combined numbers and clerkship numbers too.


Oh shit really? I was thinking Duke pretty much followed suit from last year with fed clerkships.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby thereelfeels » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:19 pm

Penn State - 9.5% (+5.4%)

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby grades?? » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:30 pm

RParadela wrote:
grades?? wrote:
RParadela wrote:
UVA2B wrote:
grades?? wrote:So, Duke has better numbers than UVA (assuming that math was right), Cornell, and Harvard?

YSD confirmed


It's possible, but in my ego-driven defense, UVA numbers aren't out yet to prove that. :P


1% point difference, but UVA has better clerkship numbers so


I don't know where you see that. The Duke numbers has 15.6% fed clerkship, and the UVA has 14.5%. So its higher for Duke in combined numbers and clerkship numbers too.


Oh shit really? I was thinking Duke pretty much followed suit from last year with fed clerkships.


yeah, literally look at the first post of this thread. I would bet real money Duke's clerkship numbers is even higher next year. They hired two new clerkship people who have really done a wonderful job the past few years and now are really getting moving. Poor UVA's prestige (jk what prestige now that ol duke has better placement numbers in both categories).

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby OneHandedEconomist » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:35 pm

grades?? wrote:
RParadela wrote:
grades?? wrote:
RParadela wrote:
UVA2B wrote:
grades?? wrote:So, Duke has better numbers than UVA (assuming that math was right), Cornell, and Harvard?

YSD confirmed


It's possible, but in my ego-driven defense, UVA numbers aren't out yet to prove that. :P


1% point difference, but UVA has better clerkship numbers so


I don't know where you see that. The Duke numbers has 15.6% fed clerkship, and the UVA has 14.5%. So its higher for Duke in combined numbers and clerkship numbers too.


Oh shit really? I was thinking Duke pretty much followed suit from last year with fed clerkships.


yeah, literally look at the first post of this thread. I would bet real money Duke's clerkship numbers is even higher next year. They hired two new clerkship people who have really done a wonderful job the past few years and now are really getting moving. Poor UVA's prestige (jk what prestige now that ol duke has better placement numbers in both categories).


Peer schools are peer.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby proteinshake » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:39 pm

OneHandedEconomist wrote:
grades?? wrote:
RParadela wrote:
grades?? wrote:
RParadela wrote:
UVA2B wrote:
grades?? wrote:So, Duke has better numbers than UVA (assuming that math was right), Cornell, and Harvard?

YSD confirmed


It's possible, but in my ego-driven defense, UVA numbers aren't out yet to prove that. :P


1% point difference, but UVA has better clerkship numbers so


I don't know where you see that. The Duke numbers has 15.6% fed clerkship, and the UVA has 14.5%. So its higher for Duke in combined numbers and clerkship numbers too.


Oh shit really? I was thinking Duke pretty much followed suit from last year with fed clerkships.


yeah, literally look at the first post of this thread. I would bet real money Duke's clerkship numbers is even higher next year. They hired two new clerkship people who have really done a wonderful job the past few years and now are really getting moving. Poor UVA's prestige (jk what prestige now that ol duke has better placement numbers in both categories).


Peer schools are peer.

no, Duke's numbers completely eliminates all of UVA's prestige.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby kingpin101 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:03 pm

So much for Penn's supposed advantage over the lower t14.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Po$eidon » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:07 pm

kingpin101 wrote:So much for Penn's supposed advantage over the lower t14.


Yeah Cornell is just sailing around being like 'we're virtually the same boo'

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby OneHandedEconomist » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:07 pm

kingpin101 wrote:So much for Penn's supposed advantage over the lower t14.


HYS is now DVP

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Po$eidon » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:26 pm

OneHandedEconomist wrote:
kingpin101 wrote:So much for Penn's supposed advantage over the lower t14.


HYS is now DVP


CLS and NYU haven't done their thing yet

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby kingpin101 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:29 pm

Well, NYU has been pretty TTT with this particular stat for a while now.




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