existentialcrisis wrote: jbagelboy wrote: PeanutsNJam wrote: existentialcrisis wrote: Nebby wrote: grades?? wrote:
SilverSurfer2020 wrote:Is the general concencus here that the "self selection" argument for why Berkeley has lower #s for BL+FC is accurate? Or do people think it's generally harder for someone shooting for biglaw to get it out of Berkeley? Asking for a friend.
I always found the self selection argument kinda ridiculous.
I don't think it is
I agree, otherwise you have to conclude that a ton of firms have substantially different grade cutoffs for say, boalt vs Cornell, which seems unlikely.
Boalt also has excellent FC numbers (it's above 10% right?), so I doubt that biglaw firms are turning their nose up at Boalt. I don't think self selection explains it all, but idk, it can't be that hiring partners are like "eww Boalt??"
there's zero connection between these things so this argument is nonsensical. Top boalt students get clerkships. That doesn't make below median Boalt students more favorable to law firms.
Yea, but do you think below Median Boalt students are less favorable to NY firms than UVA or Duke students with the same grades? I assume no, but I've never been involved in hiring, so I don't actually know.
My theory would be that below median Berk students are less likely to bid NYC, and hence less likely to land firms at OCI.
Going off 2005-2008 NLJ stuff, Berk and Mich students topped the T14 for public interest (followed by NYU, Columbia, Stanford and Yale). If they have something like NYU where they give out full rides to a fraction of PI kids every year, I could see that artificially deflating their placement to an extent (since I doubt PI kids are just going to slack off and end up bottom 10%). There are probably a good number of kids at all T14s that would've done PI straight out of school if they didn't have loans to pay off.
Beyond that, I agree that Berk just has a shitty home market and NYC is so far away that a lot of them just don't bid there, or can't articulate why they went to Berk to land a job in NYC. Berk being in the middle of the pack usually suggests that a good chunk of their kids (not the reverse splitters they love to take) could've gone to a lower T14 closer to NYC/DC, but self-selected to Berk for some reason, most likely to target or stay in the CA market.