Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby UVA2B » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:04 pm

vcap180 wrote:
Pomeranian wrote:http://law.wm.edu/careerservices/documents/class_of_2016_aba_summary.pdf

William and Mary: 27.2%


http://law.emory.edu/_includes/document ... y-2016.pdf

Emory: 32.3%



Emory is actually 30.28% and William and Mary is 24%.

You're like the 10th person in this thread to get the numbers slight wrong -- so what is it: can people not do 7th grade math or are we not including the same categories? BL+FC = firms over 101 attorneys + federal clerkships, and nothing else.

Are you guys adding in mid-sized firms and/or state clerkships or something? I refuse to believe that this is a math issue.


Won't speak to any specific issue, but a common error is to divide by the number of grads employed vice total grads.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby RSN » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:13 pm

cannibal ox wrote:COLUMBIA AT 4.8% FED CLERKS

NEBBY IN RUINS


Some solid trolling here, but should be pointed out that's consistent with past years. Also it's actually 4.9%, but who's rounding.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Keilz » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:17 pm

I have a question, perhaps for anyone who has the full US news breakdown.

Does US News only consider general "employment" rate after 9 mos?

Also, what makes Michigan rank so consistently high? and Cornell so low?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby OneHandedEconomist » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:18 pm

Columbia's clerk rate is undoubtedly why Nebby isn't dividing biglaw and clerk in OP.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby mariano283 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:23 pm

Nebby wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Nebby in the fight of his life to not immediately update the OP.

Done


Fordham at 41.9%

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby proteinshake » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:23 pm

OneHandedEconomist wrote:Columbia's clerk rate is undoubtedly why Nebby isn't dividing biglaw and clerk in OP.

:lol:

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Hikikomorist » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:34 pm

mariano283 wrote:
Nebby wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Nebby in the fight of his life to not immediately update the OP.

Done


Fordham at 41.9%

Odds of Fordham beating UT?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Po$eidon » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:38 pm

Hikikomorist wrote:
mariano283 wrote:
Nebby wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Nebby in the fight of his life to not immediately update the OP.

Done


Fordham at 41.9%

Odds of Fordham beating UT?


Omg heads would explode. As a New Yorker tho, I'd love it. Bwahaha

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby mariano283 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:42 pm

Hikikomorist wrote:
mariano283 wrote:
Nebby wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Nebby in the fight of his life to not immediately update the OP.

Done


Fordham at 41.9%

Odds of Fordham beating UT?


Would probably be the first time a T40 tops a T14

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Postby grades?? » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:45 pm

mariano283 wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
mariano283 wrote:
Nebby wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Nebby in the fight of his life to not immediately update the OP.

Done


Fordham at 41.9%

Odds of Fordham beating UT?


Would probably be the first time a T40 tops a T14


Thats why its the t13 now, not t14. We have been through this already. Really the argument seems to be moving to t11 now. Berkeley and Michigan are moving to regional status too with these TTTT numbers.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby cheaptilts » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:46 pm

Keilz wrote:I have a question, perhaps for anyone who has the full US news breakdown.

Does US News only consider general "employment" rate after 9 mos?

Also, what makes Michigan rank so consistently high? and Cornell so low?

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-g ... ethodology

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Postby Jaqen » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:49 pm

OneHandedEconomist wrote:Columbia's clerk rate is undoubtedly why Nebby isn't dividing biglaw and clerk in OP.


Yep.

Can we get an unbiased OP?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Nebby » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:50 pm

You goobers go make your own clerkship thread in the clerkship forum

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Keilz » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:53 pm

cheaptilts wrote:
Keilz wrote:I have a question, perhaps for anyone who has the full US news breakdown.

Does US News only consider general "employment" rate after 9 mos?

Also, what makes Michigan rank so consistently high? and Cornell so low?

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-g ... ethodology


thanks! I was more asking about the school's specific score breakdown

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby mariano283 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:53 pm

grades?? wrote:
mariano283 wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
mariano283 wrote:
Nebby wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:Nebby in the fight of his life to not immediately update the OP.

Done


Fordham at 41.9%

Odds of Fordham beating UT?


Would probably be the first time a T40 tops a T14


Thats why its the t13 now, not t14. We have been through this already. Really the argument seems to be moving to t11 now. Berkeley and Michigan are moving to regional status too with these TTTT numbers.


Agreed. Neglected to add quotes around "t14"

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby jbagelboy » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:00 pm

Jaqen wrote:
OneHandedEconomist wrote:Columbia's clerk rate is undoubtedly why Nebby isn't dividing biglaw and clerk in OP.


Yep.

Can we get an unbiased OP?


The 9month ABA stat for clerkships is too incomplete and fatally flawed to be useful

A majority of students at several schools that ultimately clerk are now doing so beyond 9mo after graduation.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby mariano283 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:07 pm

UGA Law came in at 23.7%

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby nimbus cloud » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:12 pm

jbagelboy wrote:A majority of students at several schools that ultimately clerk are now doing so beyond 9mo after graduation.


I don't want to derail the thread, but I am interested in this. Do students who clerk beyond 9 months after graduation generally secure the clerkship while in law school and defer it for a couple of years or do they apply from biglaw?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby RedPurpleBlue » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:13 pm

@Nebby

Northwestern: 68.7% [69.4%] (-0.7%)
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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby SilverSurfer2020 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:15 pm

Is the general concencus here that the "self selection" argument for why Berkeley has lower #s for BL+FC is accurate? Or do people think it's generally harder for someone shooting for biglaw to get it out of Berkeley? Asking for a friend.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Nebby » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:17 pm

RedPurpleBlue wrote:@Nebby

Northwestern: 68.7% [69.4%] (-0.7%)

You the real mvp ty

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby grades?? » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:17 pm

SilverSurfer2020 wrote:Is the general concencus here that the "self selection" argument for why Berkeley has lower #s for BL+FC is accurate? Or do people think it's generally harder for someone shooting for biglaw to get it out of Berkeley? Asking for a friend.


I always found the self selection argument kinda ridiculous.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Wild Card » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:19 pm

Keilz wrote:I have a question, perhaps for anyone who has the full US news breakdown.

Does US News only consider general "employment" rate after 9 mos?

Also, what makes Michigan rank so consistently high? and Cornell so low?


Peer assessment factors significantly into a school's ranking.

T-14 Peer Assessment Ranking, 10-year Average (2009-2018):

4.81 Yale

4.81 Harvard

4.76 Stanford

4.64 Columbia

4.62 Chicago

4.49 NYU

4.46 Berkeley

4.45 Michigan

4.36 Virginia

4.34 Pennsylvania

4.21 Duke

4.19 Cornell

4.14 Georgetown

4.10 Northwestern

4.07 Texas

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Nebby » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:20 pm

grades?? wrote:
SilverSurfer2020 wrote:Is the general concencus here that the "self selection" argument for why Berkeley has lower #s for BL+FC is accurate? Or do people think it's generally harder for someone shooting for biglaw to get it out of Berkeley? Asking for a friend.


I always found the self selection argument kinda ridiculous.

I don't think it is

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby jbagelboy » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:39 pm

nimbus cloud wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:A majority of students at several schools that ultimately clerk are now doing so beyond 9mo after graduation.


I don't want to derail the thread, but I am interested in this. Do students who clerk beyond 9 months after graduation generally secure the clerkship while in law school and defer it for a couple of years or do they apply from biglaw?

Both. Many judges are hiring so far out now that even applying fall of 2L means getting your clerkship a year or two after graduation. By 3L, nearly any judge in a desirable location will have filled all their spots for the next year and often for the year after as well. These are all law student clerks. Then there are the 'alumni clerks' who apply once they've graduated (typically as junior associates at law firms). These individuals fit a slightly different profile. What drives the selection criteria for both groups is increasingly an emphasis on clerks (esp district court clerks) having some litigation experience before they start in chambers. That's not a requirement for every judge obviously but its become more common especially for judges in competitive locations (e.g. SDNY and CDCal.) Very similar and in part as a result to this phenomenon, due to the hiring schedule pressure, many clerks are now facing a 'gap year' between clerkships (or between school and clerkship), which firms tend to loathe but now accept as part of the shifting clerkship market.
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