Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby LtotheB » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:37 pm

cheaptilts wrote:
dclaw93 wrote:Pretty crazy: NU sent a higher percentage to PI than Mich. Seems to completely go against the reputations the 2 schools have on here.

Seems to also go against the excuses for Michigan's placement


Though Michigan did put more than double the number of people in government that NU did.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Keilz » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:37 pm

why does everyone think UT's numbers are going to suck?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Rigo » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:38 pm

dclaw93 wrote:
cheaptilts wrote:
dclaw93 wrote:Pretty crazy: NU sent a higher percentage to PI than Mich. Seems to completely go against the reputations the 2 schools have on here.

Seems to also go against the excuses for Michigan's placement

Agreed. But it looks like biggest difference between Mich/the other schools ranked 7-13 is actually state/local clerkships and government jobs, at least this year. Mich is at 15.9% and the other schools are all under 10%.

Ah yes people are self selecting into local clerkships. It all makes sense now.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby cannibal ox » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:40 pm

Keilz wrote:why does everyone think UT's numbers are going to suck?


Administration not releasing stats at ASW (they have done this in the past)
Administration saying stats are "the same or better" at ASW
Administration waiting until April 15th to release stats (pretty sure 4/15 is the latest you can release them)
Evening out after the t14 bump
General pessimism

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Pragmatic Gun » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:43 pm

cannibal ox wrote:
Keilz wrote:why does everyone think UT's numbers are going to suck?


Administration not releasing stats at ASW (they have done this in the past)
Administration saying stats are "the same or better" at ASW
Administration waiting until April 15th to release stats (pretty sure 4/15 is the latest you can release them)
Evening out after the t14 bump
General pessimism


Isn't that just reading tea leaves, doe?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Johann » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:47 pm

Rigo wrote:
dclaw93 wrote:
cheaptilts wrote:
dclaw93 wrote:Pretty crazy: NU sent a higher percentage to PI than Mich. Seems to completely go against the reputations the 2 schools have on here.

Seems to also go against the excuses for Michigan's placement

Agreed. But it looks like biggest difference between Mich/the other schools ranked 7-13 is actually state/local clerkships and government jobs, at least this year. Mich is at 15.9% and the other schools are all under 10%.

Ah yes people are self selecting into local clerkships. It all makes sense now.


They might be. Chicago views Michigan, NU, and Uc all roughly equal. Is it really that hard to believe that people who pick Ann Arbor over a city for law school really aren't interested in a major metropolitan area.
It's not that prestigious but they are good jobs that pay well for the cheaper COL and allow people to remain close to family/provide a better/easier lifestyle for people prioritizing families. This forum tends to prestige whore to a degree not really present in the real world in simpler places (like Michigan). I'd also say the self selection into a public state school rather than a prestigious private tends to conflate these numbers.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby cannibal ox » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:50 pm

Pragmatic Gun wrote:
cannibal ox wrote:
Keilz wrote:why does everyone think UT's numbers are going to suck?


Administration not releasing stats at ASW (they have done this in the past)
Administration saying stats are "the same or better" at ASW
Administration waiting until April 15th to release stats (pretty sure 4/15 is the latest you can release them)
Evening out after the t14 bump
General pessimism


Isn't that just reading tea leaves, doe?


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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby dclaw93 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:53 pm

Johann wrote:
Rigo wrote:
dclaw93 wrote:
cheaptilts wrote:
dclaw93 wrote:Pretty crazy: NU sent a higher percentage to PI than Mich. Seems to completely go against the reputations the 2 schools have on here.

Seems to also go against the excuses for Michigan's placement

Agreed. But it looks like biggest difference between Mich/the other schools ranked 7-13 is actually state/local clerkships and government jobs, at least this year. Mich is at 15.9% and the other schools are all under 10%.

Ah yes people are self selecting into local clerkships. It all makes sense now.


They might be. Chicago views Michigan, NU, and Uc all roughly equal. Is it really that hard to believe that people who pick Ann Arbor over a city for law school really aren't interested in a major metropolitan area.
It's not that prestigious but they are good jobs that pay well for the cheaper COL and allow people to remain close to family/provide a better/easier lifestyle for people prioritizing families. This forum tends to prestige whore to a degree not really present in the real world in simpler places (like Michigan). I'd also say the self selection into a public state school rather than a prestigious private tends to conflate these numbers.

Also definitely never said people were self-selecting into local clerkships, just pointed out what a big portion of the difference is being driven by. Nice straw, man 8)

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Johann » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:57 pm

It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby redsoxfan1989 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:58 pm

Johann wrote:It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Explain Cornell's placement then.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby cheaptilts » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:00 pm

Johann wrote:It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Durham, Charlottesville, and Ithaca are all decisively larger cities than Ann Arbor and closer to a major metro area than Ann Arbor? What?

Your argument about students self-selecting into a state school is a real stretch, too

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Johann » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:00 pm

redsoxfan1989 wrote:
Johann wrote:It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Explain Cornell's placement then.

Net York city?

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Postby curry1 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:01 pm

Johann wrote:
redsoxfan1989 wrote:
Johann wrote:It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Explain Cornell's placement then.

Net York city?


Ithaca is much further from NYC than Ann 'Arbor is from Chicago. Nice try.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby bmathers » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:02 pm

Rigo wrote:
thereelfeels wrote:Dickinson - 3/34 - 8.8% (+5.3%)

Are you doing this right? I get Dickinson has small class sizes but 34 seems abnormally small. You should divide by the total grads, not just the employed grads.

That is the total grads. 31/34 were the employees grads

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby bearsfan23 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:03 pm

Rigo wrote:
dclaw93 wrote:
cheaptilts wrote:
dclaw93 wrote:Pretty crazy: NU sent a higher percentage to PI than Mich. Seems to completely go against the reputations the 2 schools have on here.

Seems to also go against the excuses for Michigan's placement

Agreed. But it looks like biggest difference between Mich/the other schools ranked 7-13 is actually state/local clerkships and government jobs, at least this year. Mich is at 15.9% and the other schools are all under 10%.

Ah yes people are self selecting into local clerkships. It all makes sense now.


Some people are, without a doubt.

As has been pointed out earlier, not all state court clerkships are created equal, but a significant number of SSC positions are pretty prestigious and people absolutely want to get

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Thomas Hagan, ESQ. » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:04 pm

curry1 wrote:
Johann wrote:
redsoxfan1989 wrote:
Johann wrote:It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Explain Cornell's placement then.

Net York city?


Ithaca is much further from NYC than Ann 'Arbor is from Chicago. Nice try.


But that's why we built the Erie Canal...so that Cornellians can have better access to the NYC legal market!

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby amta » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:05 pm

curry1 wrote:
Johann wrote:
redsoxfan1989 wrote:
Johann wrote:It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Explain Cornell's placement then.

Net York city?


Ithaca is much further from NYC than Ann 'Arbor is from Chicago. Nice try.


multiple metro areas instead of just one?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Johann » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:06 pm

curry1 wrote:
Johann wrote:
redsoxfan1989 wrote:
Johann wrote:It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Explain Cornell's placement then.

Net York city?


Ithaca is much further from NYC than Ann 'Arbor is from Chicago. Nice try.


You're being way too literal. Cornell is a NYC feeder. Michigan is not a Chicago feeder. Check the stats of where the grads go.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Anon.y.mousse. » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:06 pm

curry1 wrote:
Johann wrote:
redsoxfan1989 wrote:
Johann wrote:It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Explain Cornell's placement then.

Net York city?


Ithaca is much further from NYC than Ann 'Arbor is from Chicago. Nice try.


just popping in to say both are about four hours away from their respective major legal markets (driving)

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Fiddlesticks » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:07 pm

curry1 wrote:
Johann wrote:
redsoxfan1989 wrote:
Johann wrote:It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Explain Cornell's placement then.

Net York city?


Ithaca is much further from NYC than Ann 'Arbor is from Chicago. Nice try.


Yea... that 8 minute difference in driving time. Also, NYC is the largest legal market by considerable margin. Chicago is large, but probably like... 3rd? 4th? largest.

Edit: It looks like it is the 3rd. AmLaw claims there are roughly 23,000 lawyers in NY and 8,700 in Chicago. DC was 2nd for anyone interested.
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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby redsoxfan1989 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:09 pm

Anon.y.mousse. wrote:
curry1 wrote:
Johann wrote:
redsoxfan1989 wrote:
Johann wrote:It's almost like major metropolitan areas have different job opportunities than large towns and tiny commuter cities.

Explain Cornell's placement then.

Net York city?


Ithaca is much further from NYC than Ann 'Arbor is from Chicago. Nice try.


just popping in to say both are about four hours away from their respective major legal markets (driving)


Yeah if there is absolutely no traffic through the Lincoln Tunnel :roll:

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Johann » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:09 pm

New York legal market is MUCH larger than Chicago. Cornell is known as a NYC feeder for applicants that usually DONT/CANT get into Columbia and nyu

Meanwhile, umich matriculate CAN get into northwestern usually and pick Michigan this sort of self selecting out of the Chicago market. Not that many much grads end up in Chicago. If they wanted hicsgo you'd just call them NU GRADS.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby redsoxfan1989 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:11 pm

Johann wrote:New York legal market is MUCH larger than Chicago. Cornell is known as a NYC feeder for applicants that usually DONT/CANT get into Columbia and nyu

Meanwhile, umich matriculate CAN get into northwestern usually and pick Michigan this sort of self selecting out of the Chicago market. Not that many much grads end up in Chicago. If they wanted hicsgo you'd just call them NU GRADS.


So, the case for Michigan is that students choose it because they don't want to work in NY or Chicago? Interesting.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby cheaptilts » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:11 pm

Charlottesville to D.C. Is 2.5 hours; Durham to dc is 4 hours and atlanta is 6. Just a poor argument

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby AT9 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:11 pm

Damn, Vandy.



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