Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Nebby » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:12 am

What categories does underemployed consider? Right now I just included unemployed.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby guynourmin » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:15 am

Nebby wrote:What categories does underemployed consider? Right now I just included unemployed.


Professional and non-professional, I would think, at least. I would want to include solo too, and maybe all part time work (pt/st definitely, right? what kind of work is that?) work?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Nebby » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:17 am

guybourdin wrote:
Nebby wrote:What categories does underemployed consider? Right now I just included unemployed.


Professional and non-professional, I would think, at least. I would want to include solo too, and maybe all part time work (pt/st definitely, right? what kind of work is that?) work?

I assumed most professional are dual JD/MBA who went into business?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:18 am

Nebby wrote:
guybourdin wrote:
Nebby wrote:What categories does underemployed consider? Right now I just included unemployed.

Professional and non-professional, I would think, at least. I would want to include solo too, and maybe all part time work (pt/st definitely, right? what kind of work is that?) work?

I assumed most professional are dual JD/MBA who went into business?

I wouldn't assume this. Maybe at top schools like Northwestern but not lower ranked schools.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Nebby » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:20 am

Rigo wrote:
Nebby wrote:
guybourdin wrote:
Nebby wrote:What categories does underemployed consider? Right now I just included unemployed.

Professional and non-professional, I would think, at least. I would want to include solo too, and maybe all part time work (pt/st definitely, right? what kind of work is that?) work?

I assumed most professional are dual JD/MBA who went into business?

I wouldn't assume this. Maybe at top schools like Northwestern but not lower ranked schools.

I'm only posting underemployment stats for T14

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby guynourmin » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:24 am

Nebby wrote:
guybourdin wrote:
Nebby wrote:What categories does underemployed consider? Right now I just included unemployed.


Professional and non-professional, I would think, at least. I would want to include solo too, and maybe all part time work (pt/st definitely, right? what kind of work is that?) work?

I assumed most professional are dual JD/MBA who went into business?


I assume they're paralegals or starbucks shift managers. NU, which has a decent-sized cohort of JD/MBAs (~20/yr, I think?) has only reported 3 ft/lt professional positions in the last 4 years. NU's website basically says they go into JD advantage work if they don't become lawyers.

so, obviously, I don't understand the difference b.t professional and non-professional positions, but I think the difference is negligible.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:25 am

Nebby wrote:
Rigo wrote:
Nebby wrote:
guybourdin wrote:
Nebby wrote:What categories does underemployed consider? Right now I just included unemployed.

Professional and non-professional, I would think, at least. I would want to include solo too, and maybe all part time work (pt/st definitely, right? what kind of work is that?) work?

I assumed most professional are dual JD/MBA who went into business?

I wouldn't assume this. Maybe at top schools like Northwestern but not lower ranked schools.

I'm only posting underemployment stats for T14

Oh okay. If that's the case idk how useful noting underemployment would really be.
I know you got pissed when people suggested this last year, but can we do T20 this year especially with the shakeup?
I think choosing between T13 and T20 is a common enough decision to warrant a simple %change in employment stats calculation.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Nebby » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:26 am

Rigo wrote:
Nebby wrote:
Rigo wrote:
Nebby wrote:
guybourdin wrote:
Nebby wrote:What categories does underemployed consider? Right now I just included unemployed.

Professional and non-professional, I would think, at least. I would want to include solo too, and maybe all part time work (pt/st definitely, right? what kind of work is that?) work?

I assumed most professional are dual JD/MBA who went into business?

I wouldn't assume this. Maybe at top schools like Northwestern but not lower ranked schools.

I'm only posting underemployment stats for T14

Oh okay. If that's the case idk how useful noting underemployment would really be.
I know you got pissed when people suggested this last year, but can we do T20 this year especially with the shakeup?
I think choosing between T13 and T20 is a common enough decision to warrant a simple %change in employment stats calculation.

If people do the work for me I'll do T20

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby bitter_melon » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:26 am

Rigo wrote:The rumor that WUSTL is up to 40+% (I've seen 44% stated) or something is circulating. Apparently they bragged about it at their ASW.


46%

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby guynourmin » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:27 am

Nebby wrote:What categories does underemployed consider? Right now I just included unemployed.



LST underemployment is: Not Seeking + Short-Term Jobs + Part-Time Jobs + Non-Professional Jobs + Pursuing Another Degree + School-Funded.

Professional positions just aren't counted in either employment or under-employment.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby bitter_melon » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:28 am

Hikikomorist wrote:
Rigo wrote:The rumor that WUSTL is up to 40+% (I've seen 44% stated) or something is circulating. Apparently they bragged about it at their ASW.

Honestly, if any law school deserves to be rewarded for its admissions policies, it's WUSTL.


As someone who is strongly considering WUSTL, I'm just wondering if you can explain what you mean by this?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Nebby » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:28 am

guybourdin wrote:
Nebby wrote:What categories does underemployed consider? Right now I just included unemployed.



LST underemployment is: Not Seeking + Short-Term Jobs + Part-Time Jobs + Non-Professional Jobs + Pursuing Another Degree + School-Funded.

Professional positions just aren't counted in either employment or under-employment.

okay fuck it I'll let LST do it and not track it, lol

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby BoyJord » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:29 am

Nebby wrote:What categories does underemployed consider? Right now I just included unemployed.


Per The LST Report Methodology page:
"The Under-Employment Score
Our Under-Employment Score represents graduates who are underusing their skills and credentials. These graduates have not started a professional career, legal or otherwise. It is composed of unemployed graduates seeking work, those in any part-time or short-term job, those in non-professional jobs, those pursuing another advanced degree, and those in school-funded jobs that do not qualify as long-term, full-time bar passage required, J.D. advantage, or professional. Again, what follows is the step-by-step process of creating the score, as well as the relevant ABA definitions.

Score Calculation

(Unemployed – Not Seeking + Short-Term Jobs + Part-Time Jobs + Non-Professional Jobs + Pursuing Another Degree + School-Funded) / All Graduates"

Edit: sorry didn't mean to pile on. I didn't see all the responses to this until after I posted.
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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Rigo » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:30 am

bitter_melon wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
Rigo wrote:The rumor that WUSTL is up to 40+% (I've seen 44% stated) or something is circulating. Apparently they bragged about it at their ASW.

Honestly, if any law school deserves to be rewarded for its admissions policies, it's WUSTL.

As someone who is strongly considering WUSTL, I'm just wondering if you can explain what you mean by this?

Hello bitter_melon. Meet Hikko. He has a very distinct shtick where he is obsessed with test scores and test scores only. WUSTL pays out the big bucks for LSAT scores and is very splitter friendly (thus prioritizing Hikko's obsession).

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby jbagelboy » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:30 am

you cannot assume that JD advantage/"professional" is underemployed at the T14. most of those folks are consultants, bankers, or lobbyists.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Dr. Nefario » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:34 am

BigZuck wrote:I assume by "T14" you mean yes UT and not GULC, yes?


I feel like the new rankings release was just a joyous day for you

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby BigZuck » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:49 am

Dr. Nefario wrote:
BigZuck wrote:I assume by "T14" you mean yes UT and not GULC, yes?


I feel like the new rankings release was just a joyous day for you

Shall we put you down as a Michigan man?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Dr. Nefario » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:14 am

BigZuck wrote:
Dr. Nefario wrote:
BigZuck wrote:I assume by "T14" you mean yes UT and not GULC, yes?


I feel like the new rankings release was just a joyous day for you

Shall we put you down as a Michigan man?


Gross, I could never live in B1G country. Big XII born and raised, T1 law school on the east coast

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby Hikikomorist » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:13 pm

jbagelboy wrote:you cannot assume that JD advantage/"professional" is underemployed at the T14. most of those folks are consultants, bankers, or lobbyists.

Even at a school like UCLA, the median salary numbers for the graduates going that route were pretty solid.
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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby zot1 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:26 pm

Nebby, I don't get the lack of love for PS/PI. What's that about?

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby cavalier1138 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:27 pm

zot1 wrote:Nebby, I don't get the lack of love for PS/PI. What's that about?


There's a thread stickied for those stats.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby BigZuck » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:28 pm

Also Nebby is a noted rancid big law fan boy/apologist

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby zot1 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:30 pm

That's what I didn't understand, but I think I get it now.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby dbalkaran » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:31 pm

Tagging.

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Re: Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School

Postby celticsfan » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:37 pm

I hope we get some more data this week, props to Duke though.




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