Malarkey wrote: runinthefront wrote:
Itiswritten wrote:Disclaimer: Ucla 1L with a biglaw job already secured
You have much better odds of landing a biglaw position in California if you graduate from UCLA than from Cornell. Also, Cornell gets a lot of hate because the logical inference is that, if you chose Cornell, you didn't get into Harvard, penn, Chicago, Columbia, Yale etc.
UCLA is the best law school in LA and lots choose this place for the 'strong regional with money' thing
"You have much better odds of landing a biglaw position in California if you graduate from UCLA than from Cornell." I don't think this is true. You're not accounting for the strong self-selection out of CA biglaw jobs for Cornell students, and you're not accounting for the fact that the odds of a UCLA student getting a biglaw job--CA, NY, or anywhere else--is a good deal lower than 50/50.
"Also, Cornell gets a lot of hate because the logical inference is that, if you chose Cornell, you didn't get into Harvard, penn, Chicago, Columbia, Yale etc." I don't think this is the 'logical inference.' It may be a prevailing thought for some (a thought that doesn't affect Cornell's employment outcomes, I might add), but it's definitely not "logical." Many students go here because Cornell gave more $$.
It's also a weird argument to use in support of going to UCLA, considering most people just assume those students couldn't get into Berkeley/Stanford...or any T-14 for that matter. What a weird post
Additionally, forgive my 0L ignorance, but barring some connection established before law school (like a relative willing to hire you no matter what), is it even possible to secure a biglaw gig for after you graduate by the middle of spring semester in your first year? That seems very early.
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First, to everyone from Cornell posting on this thread, I didn't mean to attack you guys. So let me backpedal a bit- Cornell is great- if you want to stay on the east coast. But you'll be competing for jobs in a pool that will be saturated with students from Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Chicago, Penn, NYU. Fill in the blanks on what that means for you personally.
At UCLA biglaw is by no means guaranteed, but it's considered the strongest law school in Los Angeles, with the best placement in Los Angeles. So if you want LA big law, it gives you an excellent shot (if you have the grades).
Regarding the 1L SA position- first, thank you. It's an "open offer" type thing (at least, thats how the hiring partner explained it to me). Basically they take you on for a summer, and if you do a good job, they'll re-offer you to come back the next summer. If you come back 2L and do well, they will offer you full-time. So yes, it's quite early, and there are hardly any positions available (relative to public interest positions). I think about 14 students at UCLA end up with a 1L biglaw firm job.
Most 1L positions hire you based on 1st semester grades and most positions are 'diversity' positions. Now, I'm not diverse in a traditional sense. Straight white male. But I hustled hard, interviewed well and got lucky
. I was rejected by 18 firms
before I landed my position and my career services advisor told me I was crazy
for trying. So I think my stars aligned, and my balls were bigger than my brain. In other words, as much as I wish I could tell you I controlled my outcome, I could've just as easily done the same thing,(hustled, networked, cold called, applied, rinse, repeat) and ended up with nothing. I think that's why people usually advice 1L to stay away from biglaw until OCI