George Washington v. Washington and Lee

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Washington & Lee
18
64%
George Washington
10
36%
 
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DogSitting
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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby DogSitting » Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:00 pm

Perfect!

Thanks!

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby DogSitting » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:08 pm

George Mason just offered me a scholarship!!! My tuition would only be $5k a year....

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby lavarman84 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:33 am

Wait out this admissions cycle and retake the LSAT.

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby 20170322 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:40 am

DogSitting wrote:George Mason just offered me a scholarship!!! My tuition would only be $5k a year....


Are you only considering schools with "George" or "Washington" in the name?

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby DogSitting » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:47 pm

lawman84 wrote:Wait out this admissions cycle and retake the LSAT.


Lmao

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby cavalier1138 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:48 pm

DogSitting wrote:
lawman84 wrote:Wait out this admissions cycle and retake the LSAT.


Lmao


I love that you still think this advice isn't serious.

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Thomas Hagan, ESQ.
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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby Thomas Hagan, ESQ. » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:02 pm

W&L 100%.

Even if it were GULC at sticker and William and Mary with your W&L scholarship, I would still tell you to avoid paying full price.

GW is a great school but definitely not worth putting yourself $300,000+ in debt upon graduation.

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby poptart123 » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:08 pm

DogSitting wrote:Thanks. I actually had looked up the cost of attendance of Washington and Lee previously. A decent legal education that will enable me to graduate with a less than $100k still seems like a great option. Especially with how solid the Washington and Lee alumni network is in the D.C. area. The thing about cost of attendance is that you have a lot of wiggle room in keeping costs down. George Washington for instance calculates $1,900 a month for rooming based on their on-campus rates. However, you can easily and assuredly find a place for much cheaper than that, potentially knocking out as much as $10k a year in expenses.


10K for DC will likely mean living outside the city with a commute and multiple roommates fyi

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby DogSitting » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:24 pm

I love how you still think I might listen to your crappy advice


cavalier1138 wrote:
DogSitting wrote:
lawman84 wrote:Wait out this admissions cycle and retake the LSAT.


Lmao


I love that you still think this advice isn't serious.

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby DogSitting » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:24 pm

Thank you so much for your thoughts!


Thomas Hagan, ESQ. wrote:W&L 100%.

Even if it were GULC at sticker and William and Mary with your W&L scholarship, I would still tell you to avoid paying full price.

GW is a great school but definitely not worth putting yourself $300,000+ in debt upon graduation.

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby cavalier1138 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:45 pm

I move that the OP to check back in after OCI at W&L to let everyone know about his awesome biglaw SA.

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby Thomas Hagan, ESQ. » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:06 pm

cavalier1138 wrote:I move that the OP to check back in after OCI at W&L to let everyone know about his awesome biglaw SA.


Not everyone goes to law school looking to do Biglaw.
If OP want's to do Biglaw, then I'll agree with you 100%

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby cavalier1138 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:10 pm

Thomas Hagan, ESQ. wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:I move that the OP to check back in after OCI at W&L to let everyone know about his awesome biglaw SA.


Not everyone goes to law school looking to do Biglaw.
If OP want's to do Biglaw, then I'll agree with you 100%


This OP has skirted the issue, but the repeated references to how it can't just be the T14 that gets people biglaw jobs and the "good salary" talk makes it pretty clear what their goals are.

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby trebekismyhero » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:08 pm

To echo what someone else said, you should apply to UIUC. With a 168 you would almost certainly get a full ride and have a way better shot at big law in Chicago than you would DC big law from W&L and Chicago is a city you listed. At the very least it would be good leverage for getting additional money from other schools. For having 5 years to plan, your applications seem kind of haphazard.

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby guybourdin » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:51 pm

trebekismyhero wrote:To echo what someone else said, you should apply to UIUC. With a 168 you would almost certainly get a full ride and have a way better shot at big law in Chicago than you would DC big law from W&L and Chicago is a city you listed. At the very least it would be good leverage for getting additional money from other schools. For having 5 years to plan, your applications seem kind of haphazard.


this is the second best advice you have received in this thread (behind retake). Since you're not retaking, you should apply to Illinois immediately. It will give you a better chance at biglaw than either w&l or george mason and will be as cheap or cheaper than mason.

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby DogSitting » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:53 pm

Thomas Hagan, ESQ. wrote:
cavalier1138 wrote:I move that the OP to check back in after OCI at W&L to let everyone know about his awesome biglaw SA.


Not everyone goes to law school looking to do Biglaw.
If OP want's to do Biglaw, then I'll agree with you 100%


People are obsessed with BigLaw here. Lol. I mentioned I would at least like the possibility of competing for a BigLaw job and people jumped on that. There are plenty of jobs that offer good salaries without being BigLaw. I'm just not so interested in public service type jobs necessarily.

My big pull towards George Mason now that I've been offered such a big scholarship is the ability to network a bit while in school and also the fact I would have an absurd burden of debt upon graduation. I've definitely switched my gears toward George Mason now because of their offer. They have solid employment statistics and it seems like hard work can get you a decent job from here.

Thanks for your level minded input! I really appreciate hearing that

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby lavarman84 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:54 pm

DogSitting wrote:I love how you still think I might listen to your crappy advice


cavalier1138 wrote:
DogSitting wrote:
lawman84 wrote:Wait out this admissions cycle and retake the LSAT.


Lmao


I love that you still think this advice isn't serious.


But you've given the same advice that you call "crappy" to other people in this forum. Why is it crappy for you but good for them?

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby DogSitting » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:57 pm

Just trolling at that point to prove how crappy such advice is.

lawman84 wrote:
DogSitting wrote:I love how you still think I might listen to your crappy advice


cavalier1138 wrote:
DogSitting wrote:
lawman84 wrote:Wait out this admissions cycle and retake the LSAT.


Lmao


I love that you still think this advice isn't serious.


But you've given the same advice that you call "crappy" to other people in this forum. Why is it crappy for you but good for them?

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby cavalier1138 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:57 pm

DogSitting wrote:...it seems like hard work can get you a decent job from here.


For the benefit of others (since you're clearly only reading the posts that seem to fall in line with your insane worldview): this is not how it works. You can work as hard as you like at George Mason, but if you don't have the grades or connections, you won't get that decent job (at least not by your standards of getting a job with a good salary).

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby DogSitting » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:00 pm

Thanks buddy


cavalier1138 wrote:
DogSitting wrote:...it seems like hard work can get you a decent job from here.


For the benefit of others (since you're clearly only reading the posts that seem to fall in line with your insane worldview): this is not how it works. You can work as hard as you like at George Mason, but if you don't have the grades or connections, you won't get that decent job (at least not by your standards of getting a job with a good salary).

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby amta » Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:22 pm

1) has someone linked the trap school article yet?
2) stop complaining after opening yourself up.
3) rigo is very correct about WUSTL

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby timbs4339 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:28 pm

What do you mean by good salary?

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby DogSitting » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:40 pm

timbs4339 wrote:What do you mean by good salary?


$70k would bring contentment. Haha

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby UVA2B » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:49 pm

DogSitting wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:What do you mean by good salary?


$70k would bring contentment. Haha


That sounds reasonable in theory, but then when you consider the bimodal nature of legal hiring, it's not particularly likely from anywhere. Hopefully this NALP related data gives you pause, because it should. There are peaks at $160k (presumably will be at $180k for the next classes with last summer's bump), and ~$45k which are likely public defenders, small firms, etc. This is the nature of the legal profession, and that's why you should look at the employment numbers of a given school through that lens, meaning Biglaw will get you significantly more than your goal of $70k, while other work like small firm, government, etc. will likely be closer to that $45k peak. This is our reality.



http://www.nalp.org/class_of_2014_salary_curve

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Re: George Washington v. Washington and Lee

Postby DogSitting » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:56 pm

Thanks a lot. I'll be looking more into that


UVA2B wrote:
DogSitting wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:What do you mean by good salary?


$70k would bring contentment. Haha


That sounds reasonable in theory, but then when you consider the bimodal nature of legal hiring, it's not particularly likely from anywhere. Hopefully this NALP related data gives you pause, because it should. There are peaks at $160k (presumably will be at $180k for the next classes with last summer's bump), and ~$45k which are likely public defenders, small firms, etc. This is the nature of the legal profession, and that's why you should look at the employment numbers of a given school through that lens, meaning Biglaw will get you significantly more than your goal of $70k, while other work like small firm, government, etc. will likely be closer to that $45k peak. This is our reality.



http://www.nalp.org/class_of_2014_salary_curve




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