Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

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Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby skallagrimson » Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:56 am

Hello all. I retook the LSAT in June and was happy to see my score increase from 160 to 165. Prior to the score release, I had been riding out the waitlist at ND - my top choice for law school. A day after the score release, however, I had a phone conversation with the ND director of admissions and was given three options: 1. attend this year with whatever scholarship money they could scrape up (10-15k per year), 2. defer my enrollment to next year with a larger scholarship (30-35k per year), or 3. withdraw and reapply. Obviously option 1 is totally unfeasible, so I'm deciding between options 2 and 3.

As far as career goals are concerned, I do have major market, big law aspirations (no geographic preference) but am debt averse. There is money available to cover living expenses, but loans would be covering everything else. I'm also out of LSAT retakes. I scored a 160 in both Oct '15 and Feb of this year (test anxiety got the best of me).

What course of action would you all recommend? If I defer, I am locked in and may not test the waters at other schools. I'm aware that my stats (my GPA is a 3.75) make me a fringe candidate for lower T14 at best, but is it worth the risk to try anyway? If I were to defer, could I be successful in negotiating for more scholarship money in the neighborhood of 40k a year? From LSN, it appears as though some applicants with similar stats to mine received such offers.

Thank you all for your input, it is very much appreciated!

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Re: Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby PSPSPSPS » Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:06 am

Defer. Retake in December. Profit

Edit: Actually what exactly would be the point of defering? You can just re apply. Retake if you want

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Re: Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby smile0751 » Sat Jul 02, 2016 9:48 am

Reapply. ND might even offer you more if you reapply.

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Re: Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby ndirish2010 » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:15 pm

Yeah, withdraw and reapply. The medians are not gonna change so much that you won't get a similar offer next year anyway. And you can retake and improve even more.

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Re: Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby skallagrimson » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:08 pm

I was able to get them to bump to 40k a year; I can live with that number and am happy deferring. Having a year to work will help to offset some debt too.

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Re: Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby Traynor Brah » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:18 pm

Where are you from, and where do you most want to live, long-term? If either genuinely involves the Midwest, generally, then I think 40 a year there is a very solid option. If not, I wouldn't really advise going to ND, whatever the offer.

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Re: Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby skallagrimson » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:40 pm

Traynor Brah wrote:Where are you from, and where do you most want to live, long-term? If either genuinely involves the Midwest, generally, then I think 40 a year there is a very solid option. If not, I wouldn't really advise going to ND, whatever the offer.


From Indianapolis originally, and wouldn't mind working and living in Chicago. Seems like a winner.

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Re: Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby pancakes3 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:48 pm

are deferrals binding?

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Re: Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby Traynor Brah » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:25 pm

skallagrimson wrote:
Traynor Brah wrote:Where are you from, and where do you most want to live, long-term? If either genuinely involves the Midwest, generally, then I think 40 a year there is a very solid option. If not, I wouldn't really advise going to ND, whatever the offer.


From Indianapolis originally, and wouldn't mind working and living in Chicago. Seems like a winner.

I would give a thumbs-up to taking their offer, then, if it feels right to you. So long as you go in understanding that biglaw is not a given, and are comfortable with non-biglaw career tracks and salary, that's a very solid outcome.

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Re: Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby pittsburghpirates » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:30 pm

pancakes3 wrote:are deferrals binding?


This is million dollar question. If it is binding, I would reapply. Maybe even retake a third time if you're interested. You're right that your current score will make you a fringe T14 candidate, but 3 or 4 more points could do wonders. Also reapplying and snagging more acceptances to negotiate is also a good thing

That said, Traynor makes a solid point. If you are comfortable with what he said, then choosing to defer is also a good outcome

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Re: Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby cavalier1138 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:40 pm

pancakes3 wrote:are deferrals binding?


Generally, yes. My understanding of deferrals is that it's like you're immediately granted ED acceptance for the next year (not allowed to apply anywhere else, etc.).

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Re: Defer to ND class of '20 w/ $$$ or withdraw and reapply?

Postby pancakes3 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:54 pm

cavalier1138 wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:are deferrals binding?


Generally, yes. My understanding of deferrals is that it's like you're immediately granted ED acceptance for the next year (not allowed to apply anywhere else, etc.).


Ah. Well then with a 3.75 GPA, OP should definitely withdraw and reapply.




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