Vandy vs. WashU

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Vandy vs. WashU

Postby Mtn327 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:49 pm

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby WheatThins » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:03 pm

At similar prices, I'd go to Vandy. Don't think about the externships at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if WashU went up near a full scholarship for you, which could make it a decent option.

That said, either school wanting to only do NYC corporate work is a gamble.

EDIT: You're not going to lose $10k in breaking the lease. Maybe the security deposit, but that's it.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby Username123 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:48 pm

Call WUSTL and tell them your situation. They're much more likely to bump up your offer due to competition with Vandy. If they see that competing offer, I am sure they will be open to negotiating with you.

With no increase, that's a lot of debt from either school while set on NYC biglaw, which isn't either schools' specific market. What happens if you aren't able to land NYC biglaw and are stuck with that debtload?

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby KMart » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:54 pm

Uschoolqb10 wrote:Call WUSTL and tell them your situation. They're much more likely to bump up your offer due to competition with Vandy. If they see that competing offer, I am sure they will be open to negotiating with you.

Just my 2 cents, and it's certainly worth a try, but WUSTL did not move their scholarship when faced with Vandy's offer. Although I had 105k scholly at WUSTL to a 45k scholly at Vandy.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby Big Red » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:59 pm

That's more than people are going to say you should pay for vandy but with that gpa that's not bad value.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby chuckbass » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:03 pm

Big Red wrote:That's more than people are going to say you should pay for vandy but with that gpa that's not bad value.

Yeah the problem is that your GPA really isn't going to give you better options. You're going need to do really well at either school to land NYC biglaw though.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby Clemenceau » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:05 pm

Looking at the numbers, vandy looks like the right move at similar prices. I would also vastly prefer the location, though that's a personal choice.

But yikes that is a lot of debt for less than a coin flip at biglaw. Godspeed.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby rahulg91 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:06 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:
Big Red wrote:That's more than people are going to say you should pay for vandy but with that gpa that's not bad value.

Yeah the problem is that your GPA really isn't going to give you better options. You're going need to do really well at either school to land NYC biglaw though.


Idk about "really well" at Vandy you're probably gonna have to be above median but NY big law is definately attainable even if you're not top of class. Not sure about WUSTL though.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby chuckbass » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:10 pm

rahulg91 wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:
Big Red wrote:That's more than people are going to say you should pay for vandy but with that gpa that's not bad value.

Yeah the problem is that your GPA really isn't going to give you better options. You're going need to do really well at either school to land NYC biglaw though.


Idk about "really well" at Vandy you're probably gonna have to be above median but NY big law is definately attainable even if you're not top of class. Not sure about WUSTL though.

I figured you'd have to do similarly well considering WUSTL and Vandy do the same NYC hiring fair, but yeah you have more room for error at Vandy. WUSTL you're "safe" for NYC biglaw at top 10%, decent shot with top 20%, and you really need top 1/3 to get a look because everything is 100% preselect.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby ndirish2010 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 5:26 pm

Looks like Vandy here. My impression is that it's a half-step up from WUSTL.

Crazy that a sub 3.0/168 gets a half-scholarship to Vandy (I realize off WL) these days. I wish I was a 0L right now.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:26 am

Don't go or change your goals.

It's more likely than not that you'll be wasting three years of your life and however many thousands of dollars if you are only interested in biglaw.

Retake and go to NW if you have financial help

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby CanadianWolf » Sun Jun 21, 2015 4:58 pm

Close call, in my opinion. Negotiate & see what happens. Ask both schools for more scholarship money.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby Yeezus » Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:52 pm

Neither are worth the debt, imo. But if you absolutely had to pick, then Vanderbilt.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby Big Red » Mon Jun 22, 2015 1:37 am

CanadianWolf wrote:Close call, in my opinion. Negotiate & see what happens. Ask both schools for more scholarship money.


Based solely on LSN, it's clear both of these schools are chipping in for anything 167+ (which totally makes sense). Make sure you totally exhaust this route.

I'll throw out a 0L disclaimer as I should, but I can't in good conscious tell you to retake and reapply with that GPA when you need a 4-5 point bump to make this worth the risk. If you don't feel that you took the LSAT seriously and got that score, RETAKE. Otherwise, imo negotiate and strongly consider one of these two offers

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby Mtn327 » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:14 pm

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby Username123 » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:27 pm

Mtn327 wrote:Thanks for all the responses.

I just visited Vandy and loved it, but then WashU increased to 35. I'm not sure if I can justify paying double for Vandy. Is the biglaw placement really that different between schools? The numbers I've seen show a difference of about 5 percentage points. On the other hand, Vandy has much better placement in federal clerkship.


I guess the question you need to ask yourself is if Vandy is worth $45,000 more to you than WUSTL, with your intended goal of NYC biglaw (this isn't including the difference in COL).
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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby arklaw13 » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:31 pm

Vandy rising 3L here.

What's the total COA for each school? If it's around 50k more for Vandy, I don't know if that's worth the extra biglaw chance. On the other hand, it seems like my class did really well in terms of biglaw compared to previous years (there are reasons for this). Just going from our recruitment handbook, it looks like around 50% of us ended up with biglaw SAs, and I was being conservative when I counted (only firms that I knew were 100 or more). Around 10% of us ended up in NYC biglaw. Maybe a WUSTL 3L can chime in with a comparison.

If you have any questions, feel free post them here or PM me.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:36 pm

OP: Have you asked Vanderbilt for an increased offer in light of your increased offer from WashUStL & in light of your visit induced enthusiasm for Vanderbilt ?

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby adil91 » Mon Jun 22, 2015 6:34 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:OP: Have you asked Vanderbilt for an increased offer in light of your increased offer from WashUStL & in light of your visit induced enthusiasm for Vanderbilt ?

Sadly, Vandy doesn't negotiate

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:19 pm

Maybe they will "reoffer" after you share that WashUStL made you an offer that you couldn't refuse.

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Re: Vandy vs. WashU

Postby KMart » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:28 pm

adil91 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:OP: Have you asked Vanderbilt for an increased offer in light of your increased offer from WashUStL & in light of your visit induced enthusiasm for Vanderbilt ?

Sadly, Vandy doesn't negotiate

The worst they're going to say is no and you'll be in this situation again. The best is they reoffer you something with more money. It doesn't hurt to ask them.




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