UT Austin v Alabama Forum
- zippernicus
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Re: UT Austin v Alabama
Hi OP - I just finished 1L at UA as an out of state student with a fairly large scholarship. I've been really happy with my choice, but there are some downsides. If you have questions, feel free to PM me.
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You must retake. It seems like your biggest concern is UT not accepting you next cycle, but that's just not going to happen. It's not like your numbers are borderline for instate, you'll have essentially the same options next year if you manage not to improve your LSAT score. The admissions people are not going to spite-reject you simply because you withdrew from the previous cycle.
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I agree that Texas is too costly & Alabama may not get you where you want to be in Texas. Was your brother able to get interviews with any or many biglaw firms in Texas ? Seems like your brother, a recent Alabama law grad, would be an excellent resource.
While it's tough to forego a full tuition scholarship to a fairly highly ranked law school, it means little if you're not targeting where Alabama places its law grads. It's also difficult to give up on your dream school (Texas), but retaking the LSAT may drastically change your options with a three or four point increase.
How did you prepare for your first two LSAT sittings ?
While it's tough to forego a full tuition scholarship to a fairly highly ranked law school, it means little if you're not targeting where Alabama places its law grads. It's also difficult to give up on your dream school (Texas), but retaking the LSAT may drastically change your options with a three or four point increase.
How did you prepare for your first two LSAT sittings ?
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OP I think Alabama would make a ton of sense for you if you wanted to practice in Alabama or maybe elsewhere in the southeast. I got a slightly better offer from Alabama with slightly better numbers (167/3.93) and I'm retaking. Then again, I don't have your ties to Alabama either. Since you want to practice in Texas, retaking to get more $ at UT or go to a T14 seems like the right move.
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No way you should take any of these options with the goal of being in Texas. That's a ridiculous amount for UT, and Alabama is not a big player here in Texas, even among firms that take a fair number of high ranking candidates from a bunch of random schools across the South.
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Re: UT Austin v Alabama
Makes more sense to apply to U of H or SMU next cycle and get a big scholarship.DJ JD wrote:No way you should take any of these options with the goal of being in Texas. That's a ridiculous amount for UT, and Alabama is not a big player here in Texas, even among firms that take a fair number of high ranking candidates from a bunch of random schools across the South.
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Re: UT Austin v Alabama
I prepared for about 3 weeks prior to the first LSAT, was extremely disappointed with my 159 score. I ended up thinking a section was an experimental when it was not -- never a good strategy. I devoted a lot more of an effort in preparation for the second test, and used up most of the more recent LSAT's for practice tests. I got about 2 hours of sleep the night before the test due to anxiousness/nerves. I did fine on the first couple of sections, but hit my games section (3rd section) and realized I misread a rule half way through my second to last game. I ended up having to guess on 4/6 questions on the final game, and then struggled through the rest of the final sections.
I am fairly confident that I could improve and increase my score by at least a couple of points. I'm willing to do the hard work required to retake successfully, but would definitely prefer to avoid the hell that is retaking the LSAT if it if it turns out that it wouldn't help that much in the long term.
I applied to SMU and received the 30k/yr offer with no stips. Seemed like a fairly solid offer, but Baylor's full-ride offer seemed to be a bit better. Then I eventually decided that I would rather attend Alabama then Baylor all other things being equal. I think I could be happy working in Alabama/SE region, I just have enjoyed the time I have spent in Austin and think it would be a great experience to live there for a couple of years. I honestly don't have much of a preference where I'm working post-graduation. Texas just seems like a strong region.
I'm pretty confident that I want to end up in Public Interest law if possible. Any suggestions on pursuing P.I. within this conversation? I know it can be a tough niche to break into. Thanks for all of the helpful feedback so far.
I am fairly confident that I could improve and increase my score by at least a couple of points. I'm willing to do the hard work required to retake successfully, but would definitely prefer to avoid the hell that is retaking the LSAT if it if it turns out that it wouldn't help that much in the long term.
I applied to SMU and received the 30k/yr offer with no stips. Seemed like a fairly solid offer, but Baylor's full-ride offer seemed to be a bit better. Then I eventually decided that I would rather attend Alabama then Baylor all other things being equal. I think I could be happy working in Alabama/SE region, I just have enjoyed the time I have spent in Austin and think it would be a great experience to live there for a couple of years. I honestly don't have much of a preference where I'm working post-graduation. Texas just seems like a strong region.
I'm pretty confident that I want to end up in Public Interest law if possible. Any suggestions on pursuing P.I. within this conversation? I know it can be a tough niche to break into. Thanks for all of the helpful feedback so far.
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Re: UT Austin v Alabama
It's either Alabama with the full tuition & living stipend award or retake the LSAT & apply to Texas, Michigan & any other T-14 within reason based on your higher LSAT score. Unfortunately, $150,000 for Texas is too much--especially for one with uncertain career goals. Remember that you have a superb GPA that just needs a stronger LSAT to get you several T-14 offers of admission. Of course, affordability within the T-14 is another concern that will depend upon achieving a higher LSAT score.
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Why aren't you considering Vandy?
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This is totally understandable, but after your description of your test experience, it's just absolutely vital. 3 extra points will get you AT LEAST $10k/year more at UT, and 4+ points gets you into full ride territory.csp2222 wrote:I prepared for about 3 weeks prior to the first LSAT, was extremely disappointed with my 159 score. I ended up thinking a section was an experimental when it was not -- never a good strategy. I devoted a lot more of an effort in preparation for the second test, and used up most of the more recent LSAT's for practice tests. I got about 2 hours of sleep the night before the test due to anxiousness/nerves. I did fine on the first couple of sections, but hit my games section (3rd section) and realized I misread a rule half way through my second to last game. I ended up having to guess on 4/6 questions on the final game, and then struggled through the rest of the final sections.
I am fairly confident that I could improve and increase my score by at least a couple of points. I'm willing to do the hard work required to retake successfully, but would definitely prefer to avoid the hell that is retaking the LSAT if it if it turns out that it wouldn't help that much in the long term.
I applied to SMU and received the 30k/yr offer with no stips. Seemed like a fairly solid offer, but Baylor's full-ride offer seemed to be a bit better. Then I eventually decided that I would rather attend Alabama then Baylor all other things being equal. I think I could be happy working in Alabama/SE region, I just have enjoyed the time I have spent in Austin and think it would be a great experience to live there for a couple of years. I honestly don't have much of a preference where I'm working post-graduation. Texas just seems like a strong region.
I'm pretty confident that I want to end up in Public Interest law if possible. Any suggestions on pursuing P.I. within this conversation? I know it can be a tough niche to break into. Thanks for all of the helpful feedback so far.
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Re: UT Austin v Alabama
What do you mean you're happy with your choice? Do you have a job lined up already?zippernicus wrote:Hi OP - I just finished 1L at UA as an out of state student with a fairly large scholarship. I've been really happy with my choice, but there are some downsides. If you have questions, feel free to PM me.
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Pretty easily. Thanks to grade inflation and curriculum options, a well-trained dog could get a 4.0 in an easy program at an easy school. Meanwhile, other schools still grade on a harsh curve, especially for programs like pre-med and engineering. Basically, UGPA on its own is a near-meaningless metric.Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:I will never understand how someone can get a 3.95 GPA and only score a 164 on the LSAT.
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Somehow I never saw this until now, but I did get a 1L SA position and am invited back next summer? So I can't totally say that I have a job lined up, but it is moving in that direction.californiauser wrote:What do you mean you're happy with your choice? Do you have a job lined up already?zippernicus wrote:Hi OP - I just finished 1L at UA as an out of state student with a fairly large scholarship. I've been really happy with my choice, but there are some downsides. If you have questions, feel free to PM me.
With my comment, I actually meant more that I was happy that I hadn't taken on a lot of debt and that the school has a very supportive/accessible faculty. I also really enjoy my classmates and am happy with environment as a whole.
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Re: UT Austin v Alabama
Why is it so hard to understand?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:I will never understand how someone can get a 3.95 GPA and only score a 164 on the LSAT.
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For most people, it is not.sandwhich wrote:Why is it so hard to understand?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:I will never understand how someone can get a 3.95 GPA and only score a 164 on the LSAT.
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Anyone with a 3.95 should be able to score a 170+ with enough studying. I refuse to believe that you can be dumb and maintain a 3.95 GPA.sandwhich wrote:Why is it so hard to understand?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:I will never understand how someone can get a 3.95 GPA and only score a 164 on the LSAT.
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I don't know what to say about this comment. Stop being a butt.Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Almost anyone with a 3.95 should be able to score a 170+ with enough studying.sandwhich wrote:Why is it so hard to understand?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:I will never understand how someone can get a 3.95 GPA and only score a 164 on the LSAT.
UA and UT are not on the same playing field. Anyone who thinks so is crazy. Case in point:
http://www.utexas.edu/law/career/prospe ... A-2014.pdf
http://www.law.ua.edu/wp-content/upload ... ummary.pdf
BigLaw+Fed Clerkship: UA=30/171= 17.5%
UT=163/351= 46.5%
The numbers speak for themselves. Friends don't let friends fall for the "UA is a top law school with national reach" line.
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Have you seen what some people major in?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Anyone with a 3.95 should be able to score a 170+ with enough studying. I refuse to believe that you can be dumb and maintain a 3.95 GPA.sandwhich wrote:Why is it so hard to understand?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:I will never understand how someone can get a 3.95 GPA and only score a 164 on the LSAT.
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What?BasilHallward wrote:I don't know what to say about this comment. Stop being a butt.Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Almost anyone with a 3.95 should be able to score a 170+ with enough studying.sandwhich wrote:Why is it so hard to understand?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:I will never understand how someone can get a 3.95 GPA and only score a 164 on the LSAT.
UA and UT are not on the same playing field. Anyone who thinks so is crazy. Case in point:
http://www.utexas.edu/law/career/prospe ... A-2014.pdf
http://www.law.ua.edu/wp-content/upload ... ummary.pdf
BigLaw+Fed Clerkship: UA=30/171= 17.5%
UT=163/351= 46.5%
The numbers speak for themselves. Friends don't let friends fall for the "UA is a top law school with national reach" line.
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Have you seen who is taking the LSAT these days? A dental hygienist with only an Associates degree makes 80K starting. The people going to law school are idiots willing to fight tooth and nail for a 60k salary plus 200k+ in debt. I mean, we're talking about really dumb people here, for the most part.ndirish2010 wrote:Have you seen what some people major in?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Anyone with a 3.95 should be able to score a 170+ with enough studying. I refuse to believe that you can be dumb and maintain a 3.95 GPA.sandwhich wrote:Why is it so hard to understand?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:I will never understand how someone can get a 3.95 GPA and only score a 164 on the LSAT.
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True enough, but it doesn't really rebut my point. A lot of those dumb people also happen to have 3.95 GPAs in underwater basketweaving.Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Have you seen who is taking the LSAT these days? A dental hygienist with only an Associates degree makes 80K starting. The people going to law school are idiots willing to fight tooth and nail for a 60k salary plus 200k+ in debt. I mean, we're talking about really dumb people here, for the most part.ndirish2010 wrote:Have you seen what some people major in?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Anyone with a 3.95 should be able to score a 170+ with enough studying. I refuse to believe that you can be dumb and maintain a 3.95 GPA.sandwhich wrote:Why is it so hard to understand?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:I will never understand how someone can get a 3.95 GPA and only score a 164 on the LSAT.
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Okay, let's come at this from a different angle. Let's stipulate that a 3.95 is a top 3% GPA for people who are ADMITTED to law school. Fair? A 170 is a top 3% LSAT score, last time I checked. The sample of people taking the LSAT is, on average, less intelligent than the people who are actually admitted to law school. Therefore, why on Earth would it be *harder* to get a 170 on the LSAT than it is to get a legitimate 3.95 GPA as reported by LSAC?ndirish2010 wrote:Have you seen what some people major in?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Anyone with a 3.95 should be able to score a 170+ with enough studying. I refuse to believe that you can be dumb and maintain a 3.95 GPA.ndirish2010 wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand?
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Because you can pick what classes you take in undergrad. You can't pick the questions on the LSAT.Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Okay, let's come at this from a different angle. Let's stipulate that a 3.95 is a top 3% GPA for people who are ADMITTED to law school. Fair? A 170 is a top 3% LSAT score, last time I checked. The sample of people taking the LSAT is, on average, less intelligent than the people who are actually admitted to law school. Therefore, why on Earth would it be *harder* to get a 170 on the LSAT than it is to get a legitimate 3.95 GPA as reported by LSAC?ndirish2010 wrote:Have you seen what some people major in?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Anyone with a 3.95 should be able to score a 170+ with enough studying. I refuse to believe that you can be dumb and maintain a 3.95 GPA.ndirish2010 wrote:
Why is it so hard to understand?
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Based on your own link UA's BigLaw+Fed Clerkship number is actually 33 / 171 = 19.3%.BasilHallward wrote:I don't know what to say about this comment. Stop being a butt.Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Almost anyone with a 3.95 should be able to score a 170+ with enough studying.sandwhich wrote:Why is it so hard to understand?Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:I will never understand how someone can get a 3.95 GPA and only score a 164 on the LSAT.
UA and UT are not on the same playing field. Anyone who thinks so is crazy. Case in point:
http://www.utexas.edu/law/career/prospe ... A-2014.pdf
http://www.law.ua.edu/wp-content/upload ... ummary.pdf
BigLaw+Fed Clerkship: UA=30/171= 17.5%
UT=163/351= 46.5%
The numbers speak for themselves. Friends don't let friends fall for the "UA is a top law school with national reach" line.
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