Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

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Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Michigan ($$)
28
82%
USC (full ride)
6
18%
 
Total votes: 34

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Kinky John
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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby Kinky John » Mon May 04, 2015 10:44 am

Nmsx8 wrote:Some of my emails went unanswered, and the ones that were answered took a relatively long time to get a response. No alumni/admissions officers have reached out, which tells me that I am an easily replaceable candidate according to them. I want to be at a school that wants ME to be there.

Additionally, I'm going to go ahead and say that my ability to get into these schools, receive these scholarships, and negotiate has answered any questions regarding my intelligence. You are not required to respond to my post. If you are not interested in this post or do not agree with it, that is completely fine. I respectfully ask you to swallow your rude comments, or spill them onto some other tortured soul going through this process.


I was busting your balls. This post helps explain things

Like Tiago said it's a small difference so if you liked Ann Arbor more, fine.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby PeanutsNJam » Mon May 04, 2015 10:58 am

Nmsx8 wrote:
Kinky John wrote:
Nmsx8 wrote:Oh, and Cornell gave me $40k/yr, not 50. So THANK GOD that doesn't place me in the realm of idiocy.


We'll be the judge of that, thank you.

What's the reason for eliminating Cornell? Maybe we can help convince you it's ok

Edit: recruiting process?


Some of my emails went unanswered, and the ones that were answered took a relatively long time to get a response. No alumni/admissions officers have reached out, which tells me that I am an easily replaceable candidate according to them. I want to be at a school that wants ME to be there.

Additionally, I'm going to go ahead and say that my ability to get into these schools, receive these scholarships, and negotiate has answered any questions regarding my intelligence. You are not required to respond to my post. If you are not interested in this post or do not agree with it, that is completely fine. I respectfully ask you to swallow your rude comments, or spill them onto some other tortured soul going through this process.


1.) Any admissions outreach is mostly courtesy and disingenuous salesmanship. If anything, Cornell is being frank and doesn't beat around the bush with things like this.

2.) That's a pretty entitled attitude, only being willing to go to a school that "really wants you". Michigan isn't going to be any more heartbroken than Cornell if you decide law school isn't for you. You're seriously not considering Cornell because they didn't pay you enough attention?

3.) You got into these schools/scholarships because your GPA and LSAT are within acceptable ranges, neither of which are a testament to your intelligence. You may well be very smart, but your #'s don't prove anything. Don't assume you're superior to sticker-paying compatriots, or people who attend lower ranked schools. Similarly, you're not intrinsically inferior to those with greater scholarships/attend higher ranked schools.

People here telling you Cornell is a good choice are actually giving an honest, objective opinion. Michigan's employment numbers have been dropping; Cornell's have been going up. Michigan at 30k/year is not a bad choice and is a very good outcome, but nobody here is being rude.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby Nmsx8 » Mon May 04, 2015 11:19 am

PeanutsNJam wrote:
Nmsx8 wrote:
Kinky John wrote:
Nmsx8 wrote:Oh, and Cornell gave me $40k/yr, not 50. So THANK GOD that doesn't place me in the realm of idiocy.


We'll be the judge of that, thank you.

What's the reason for eliminating Cornell? Maybe we can help convince you it's ok

Edit: recruiting process?


Some of my emails went unanswered, and the ones that were answered took a relatively long time to get a response. No alumni/admissions officers have reached out, which tells me that I am an easily replaceable candidate according to them. I want to be at a school that wants ME to be there.

Additionally, I'm going to go ahead and say that my ability to get into these schools, receive these scholarships, and negotiate has answered any questions regarding my intelligence. You are not required to respond to my post. If you are not interested in this post or do not agree with it, that is completely fine. I respectfully ask you to swallow your rude comments, or spill them onto some other tortured soul going through this process.


1.) Any admissions outreach is mostly courtesy and disingenuous salesmanship. If anything, Cornell is being frank and doesn't beat around the bush with things like this.

2.) That's a pretty entitled attitude, only being willing to go to a school that "really wants you". Michigan isn't going to be any more heartbroken than Cornell if you decide law school isn't for you. You're seriously not considering Cornell because they didn't pay you enough attention?

3.) You got into these schools/scholarships because your GPA and LSAT are within acceptable ranges, neither of which are a testament to your intelligence. You may well be very smart, but your #'s don't prove anything. Don't assume you're superior to sticker-paying compatriots, or people who attend lower ranked schools. Similarly, you're not intrinsically inferior to those with greater scholarships/attend higher ranked schools.

People here telling you Cornell is a good choice are actually giving an honest, objective opinion. Michigan's employment numbers have been dropping; Cornell's have been going up. Michigan at 30k/year is not a bad choice and is a very good outcome, but nobody here is being rude.


Thank you for your input.

1 & 2) I don't think I'm being entitled, I'm just trying to possess some foresight. The individuals that work for these law schools are the ones who are going to later assist me in getting a job (I'm aware that the individuals who I am communicating with now are different that the ones I would be later). Yes, this is obviously MY responsibility and the weight is on MY shoulders, but I would like to feel valued (even if it's surface level) by the network of individuals who I will be later connected with.

3) While I did not compare my intelligence to the intelligence anyone else, I appreciate the judgment in assuming I did. I think anyone going through the law school admissions process deserves credit regarding their intelligence. Better said, not necessarily credit, but at least not ridicule in choices made.

I appreciate the input regarding Cornell, however it is not the topic I posted about. Seriously, I am forever grateful for the input, but the difficulty I am having right now is regarding Michigan and USC.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby PeanutsNJam » Mon May 04, 2015 11:31 am

If it's just Michigan vs USC in your case, everybody agrees Michigan is better. If you strongly prefer Ann Arbor to Ithica, that's a valid reason to chose Michigan over Cornell. Just know that the admissions office's attitude towards you has 0 impact on your employability from that school, or even your experience there.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby iVi » Mon May 04, 2015 11:55 am

I agree that UMich is clearly the better option here.

But in fairness to the OP, I'll say that Cornell's entire admissions office has made a very poor impression on me throughout the cycle. They've been incredibly slow to respond to emails, curt if not downright rude over the phone, and surprisingly unhelpful when it comes to answering some pretty standard questions. I'm starting to feel that, despite awarding me a very generous scholarship, they couldn't care less if I actually attend. This is in pretty stark contrast to almost every other T20 school with whom I've had correspondence.

Even knowing that I'll likely never speak with any of them again, I can't help feeling it's not limited only to AdComms.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby Kinky John » Mon May 04, 2015 12:00 pm

If you guys are so concerned about rudeness then maybe working in NYC is bad idea

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby BigZuck » Mon May 04, 2015 12:04 pm

Why would you ever need to correspond with adcoms any way? The only time I ever did was asking for scholly bumps, and actually IIRC Michigan was the goofiest/rudiest in their response to those during my cycle.

You guys are putting way too much stock in Dean Z's cool auntness, literally none of this stuff matters and you will never correspond with these people once you matriculate and how they act is not a reflection on the school in general in my experience.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby 071816 » Mon May 04, 2015 12:06 pm

you're a moron for not considering cornell, especially for the reasons you listed above.
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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby eriedoctrine » Mon May 04, 2015 12:11 pm

iVi wrote:I agree that UMich is clearly the better option here.

But in fairness to the OP, I'll say that Cornell's entire admissions office has made a very poor impression on me throughout the cycle. They've been incredibly slow to respond to emails, curt if not downright rude over the phone, and surprisingly unhelpful when it comes to answering some pretty standard questions. I'm starting to feel that, despite awarding me a very generous scholarship, they couldn't care less if I actually attend. This is in pretty stark contrast to almost every other T20 school with whom I've had correspondence.

Even knowing that I'll likely never speak with any of them again, I can't help feeling it's not limited only to AdComms.


Who cares??
Go to Cornell...

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby chuckbass » Mon May 04, 2015 12:16 pm

Looks like the individuals at Cornell do a better job of "assisting" students in getting jobs than the individuals at Michigan do

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby Nmsx8 » Mon May 04, 2015 12:17 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:Looks like the individuals at Cornell do a better job of "assisting" students in getting jobs than the individuals at Michigan do


Touche. I'm sure a Cornell thread would love a lot of this information! :lol:

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby Big Dog » Mon May 04, 2015 12:28 pm

(I'm aware that the individuals who I am communicating with now are different that the ones I would be later).


so you do recognize that Dean Z's staff will not be running the clerkship/job offices, who could be staffed with total, unhelpful jerks? OTOH, the clerkship/placement office at Cornell might be as helpful as can be? (My point is that they REALLY are two distinct offices with two different missions, and unless you speak with them specifically.....)

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby rpupkin » Mon May 04, 2015 12:34 pm

Nmsx8 wrote:Additionally, I'm going to go ahead and say that my ability to get into these schools, receive these scholarships, and negotiate has answered any questions regarding my intelligence.

Oh my.

In any event, you should of course choose Michigan over USC if your goal is NYC big law.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby Nmsx8 » Mon May 04, 2015 12:36 pm

chimp wrote:you're a moron for not considering cornell, especially for the reasons you listed above.


Usually I place myself above making judgments about people based on one piece of information, but let's do it.

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You're a moron for spending that much time on a forum giving absolutely useless advice (I can only assume all of your other posts are like this one, since you assumed I did not consider Cornell). If you're going to talk a "big" game, try backing yourself up with actual points as to why not choosing Cornell classifies me as a moron. I am already clear about employment stats as well as NYC placements, so you can assume my decision was made based on knowing these facts. I am a person, not a machine dictated by statistics. If I were, the decision would be easy and I obviously would not be posting asking for assistance.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby 071816 » Mon May 04, 2015 12:37 pm

Nmsx8 wrote:
chimp wrote:you're a moron for not considering cornell, especially for the reasons you listed above.


Usually I place myself above making judgments about people based on one piece of information, but let's do it.

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You're a moron for spending that much time on a forum giving absolutely useless advice (I can only assume all of your other posts are like this one, since you assumed I did not consider Cornell). If you're going to talk a "big" game, try backing yourself up with actual points as to why not choosing Cornell classifies me as a moron. I am already clear about employment stats as well as NYC placements, so you can assume my decision was made based on knowing these facts. I am a person, not a machine dictated by statistics. If I were, the decision would be easy and I obviously would not be posting asking for assistance.

you sound extremely naive and short-sighted, but whatever.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby sneezus » Mon May 04, 2015 12:40 pm

OP, as someone recently deposited at Michigan, i'm begging you to go to Cornell

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby Kinky John » Mon May 04, 2015 12:47 pm

So OP, what's your Northwestern offer?

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby DetroitBL » Mon May 04, 2015 12:56 pm

sneezus wrote:OP, as someone recently deposited at Michigan, i'm begging you to go to Cornell


:mrgreen:

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby Nmsx8 » Mon May 04, 2015 12:58 pm

Kinky John wrote:So OP, what's your Northwestern offer?


Nada :(

Just to clarify, I am seriously grateful for everyone assisting me with this question. I am just asking for help on something I have never done before. I just don't see the logic in calling me (or anyone in the future) a "moron", "idiot", etc. for making a very tough decision to not attend a certain school. I completely understand people's decision to attend Cornell - it's a great school! Just not the right one for me. I am respectfully requesting advice, not judgment.

Again, thank you everyone for your time in helping me out with this!

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby Nmsx8 » Mon May 04, 2015 1:06 pm

Big Dog wrote:
(I'm aware that the individuals who I am communicating with now are different that the ones I would be later).


so you do recognize that Dean Z's staff will not be running the clerkship/job offices, who could be staffed with total, unhelpful jerks? OTOH, the clerkship/placement office at Cornell might be as helpful as can be? (My point is that they REALLY are two distinct offices with two different missions, and unless you speak with them specifically.....)


That's a great point. I'm going to try to do more research regarding their placement offices beyond their reported stats.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby NorCalLaw » Mon May 04, 2015 6:49 pm

Picking Cornell despite their alleged disinterest will be the first step on a long road to developing humility and rational decision-making skills. I applaud you ahead of time on making the right choice and growing as a person.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby CanadianWolf » Mon May 04, 2015 7:08 pm

Because you want to work in NYC & because you want to be employed after finishing law school, Michigan is the better choice even though $90,000 more expensive.

If USC added a living stipend to your full tuition scholarship & you were targeting SoCal law firms, then my opinion would change.

P.S. OP: Posters might understand your interest in USC if you shared that you want to work in Entertainment & Employment law which has a substantial presence in both LA & NYC.
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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby Julius » Mon May 04, 2015 7:36 pm

Nmsx8 wrote:
Additionally, please refrain from suggesting I defer acceptance since I am not 100% sure what type of law I want to go into - that is not an option for me.


Why can't you defer?

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby nordi » Tue May 05, 2015 9:13 am

With respect to the unhelpful comments about Cornell. Cornell's sticker price is like $6,000 more than Michigan's. So, for OP it would have been $4,000 cheaper a year. Cornell feeds people into NY big law as if that's the only thing worth doing because it's what the vast majority of students who go there want to do. Choosing Michigan over Cornell with that price difference is completely reasonable. Go to Ann Arbor. Be a less miserable person. Don't jump off a gorge.

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Re: Michigan ($$) vs. USC (full ride)

Postby tskela » Tue May 05, 2015 9:16 am

Boggles my mind that impersonal recruiting/admissions could even be a factor in choosing a school. I don't get it. They offered you 40k a year right? How much more can they show they want you? Money speaks louder than prompt email responses from admissions imo, but that's just me




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