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Postby owenforestry » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:51 pm

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby sd5289 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:56 pm

owenforestry wrote:but i hate the canadian winter so i only applied to schools in the south/atlantic and california.


:lol:

Best rationale I've ever heard for applying to a particular school.

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Re: GW vs Emory

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby BigZuck » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:02 pm

How are you defining "shitlaw"? And how does that type of work differ from what you would be doing at the types of small firms and PI jobs you envision?

Also, based on the research you have done, how hard is it to A) Get hired and B) Stay in the US to work as an international for each of the following job types:
1. Big firm
2. Small firm
3. Public interest

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby ILoveYou » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:14 pm

Who told you DC isn't tie-sensitive? DC can be a pretty tough market to crack by all accounts I've heard. I get that there are other reasons for that, but ties are certainly a commonly cited one.

If I'm wrong, that's great, but it really seems like you have no concrete goals and are just going to law school 'cause why wouldn't you. If that's the case, it's likely that neither choice will end well for you. No debt is nice, but it still seems crazy to me to go to school in another country for 3 years without any set goals. The US legal market can be pretty tough for internationals.
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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby starry eyed » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:14 pm

emory bc if you get small law at least you can work in GA and not deal with DC's manhattanesque COL

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby starry eyed » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:22 pm

owenforestry wrote:hahah yeah i have health problems my doctor advised me to stay away from the old.

hey big zuck tnx for the reply.
as a canadian it is alot easier for me to get hired in usa compared to other international due to the north american trade act. all i have to do is pass the bar in a state and then i am considered a lawyer in the eyes of the government, and as a lawyer, all i need from the employer is a letter saying that are willing to hire me, and the us government will issue a visa. this is a much more simple process compared to an international student from asia, where the employer has to interact with the government etc...

given the ease in which a canadian citizen can obtain a working visa in the us, i whould say that my chances of landing a job in us is similiar to us citizens, but of course minus the regional ties.

my understanding of shitlaw as a 0l is not very precise, so i whould need the help of fellow tlsers. i whould define shitlaw job as doc review job or any other very simple legal job that gives the person no real advancement in skill or career prospect. basically i don't want to be stuck earning 30000 for the rest of my life doing doc reviews.
i whould be okay with doing public interest like public defender eventhough it starts with low wage and heavy work load because the work will give u experience and you can later transition into private practice.

based on my research on gw and emory from their stats on lst. i whould say that their employment is similiar in that full time law job is around 65 percent, with around 25-30 big law jobs. but as for gw i don't know if their numbers are skewed by ip law students, and federal government job that requires citizenship. but as for emory i don't know how the south will see a asian canadian with no regional ties, but on the other hand if i do go to emory i will take georgia bar and stay in atlanta.


big southern cities are home to a lot of transplants so i think your lack of ties will be less of a concern there than more rural areas which tend be more weary of foreigners-mainly bc of ignorance

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Re: GW vs Emory

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Re: GW vs Emory

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby starry eyed » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:31 pm

lawdoggy wrote:
starry eyed wrote:
owenforestry wrote:
big southern cities are home to a lot of transplants



Have you interacted with many law firms in the South? This transplant business does not really apply when talking about Southern law. My wife is a practicing attorney down here and my sister-in-law in Atlanta, and I can tell you right now that firms here are very much concerned about ties.


my dad worked at a mid-large size city and firm and a lot of their attorney came from out of state- but granted most of them came from other areas of the south. i think it's largely firm dependent.

Would i be wrong in assuming that as the size of the firm decreases, ties become more important bc the firm ultimately has more stock in you than a large conglomerate firm who doesn't really care if you leave after a few years.
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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby owenforestry » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:34 pm

hey lawdoggy tnx for the response

are there small law that is not shit law? because when i checked emory's latest aba employment it seems that around 20 percent of their graduates are working in 2-10 firms. does that mean they are mostly working in shitlaw firms?

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby lawdoggy » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:36 pm

My wife clerked for Maynard Cooper & Gale, Lanier Ford, and Bradley Arant and now works for a mid-sized firm.

Of all the mixers I've attended and all the partners I've met, I haven't heard a single person say that ties were not important. In fact, quite the opposite. They're very concerned about ties because they're constantly losing people that move back home.

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby lawdoggy » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:40 pm

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby starry eyed » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:41 pm

lawdoggy wrote:My wife clerked for Maynard Cooper & Gale, Lanier Ford, and Bradley Arant and now works for a mid-sized firm.

Of all the mixers I've attended and all the partners I've met, I haven't heard a single person say that ties were not important. In fact, quite the opposite. They're very concerned about ties because they're constantly losing people that move back home.


what would they consider a tie?

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby lawdoggy » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:45 pm

starry eyed wrote:
lawdoggy wrote:My wife clerked for Maynard Cooper & Gale, Lanier Ford, and Bradley Arant and now works for a mid-sized firm.

Of all the mixers I've attended and all the partners I've met, I haven't heard a single person say that ties were not important. In fact, quite the opposite. They're very concerned about ties because they're constantly losing people that move back home.


what would they consider a tie?




Like you were born and raised here or have immediate family here.

I literally had a MCG partner and Bama grad tell me that he wished Bama would drop in the rankings because he was sick of them attracting students from other states. He said that he started giving hiring preference to Cumberland grads because they're all from here.

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby starry eyed » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:54 pm

lawdoggy wrote:
starry eyed wrote:
lawdoggy wrote:My wife clerked for Maynard Cooper & Gale, Lanier Ford, and Bradley Arant and now works for a mid-sized firm.

Of all the mixers I've attended and all the partners I've met, I haven't heard a single person say that ties were not important. In fact, quite the opposite. They're very concerned about ties because they're constantly losing people that move back home.


what would they consider a tie?




Like you were born and raised here or have immediate family here.

I literally had a MCG partner and Bama grad tell me that he wished Bama would drop in the rankings because he was sick of them attracting students from other states. He said that he started giving hiring preference to Cumberland grads because they're all from here.


i would consider Bama/MS to be in a whole other class than austin/charlotte/atlanta/houston- what i meant by big southern cities. more people are currently moving to those cities than anywhere else. so an obvious effect is ties become less crucial.

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby lawdoggy » Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:01 pm

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Re: GW vs Emory

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Re: GW vs Emory

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Re: GW vs Emory

Postby starry eyed » Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:40 pm

lawdoggy wrote:
downbeat14 wrote:Your stuck in shitlaw odds are still significant for all of these options.




I dunno. I would say that he's almost certainly going to be stuck in shitlaw coming out of Emory, but I think he would have decent prospects coming out of GW if played right.


but he has a 68% chance at making 50-60k in DC with this path.

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Re: GW vs Emory

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Re: GW vs Emory

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Re: GW vs Emory

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