philly33 wrote: Nekrowizard wrote:
Brut wrote:nyu has generally led penn in elite firm placement
there was a study done on this a while back, i'll try to find it later
but yeah, they're both good for biglaw
I think some guy on the forums last year figured out V10 placement adjusted for class size for CLS, NYU, and Penn. CLS was slightly ahead of NYU, but both were considerably ahead of Penn. I'm too lazy to find the thread.
Edit: found the thread:
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:Whoever ran those numbers did not run only associates, which is pretty much the only subset we're concerned with. Here are the firm numbers for V10 NYC associates:
WLRK: CLS 18, NYU 13, Penn 11
Cravath: CLS 44, NYU 23, Penn 14
Skadden: CLS 48, NYU 37, Penn 18
SullCrom: CLS 45, NYU 36, Penn 20
DPW: CLS 60, NYU 71, Penn 11
Weil: CLS 35, NYU 26, Penn 19
STB: CLS 35, NYU 32, Penn 23
CGSH: CLS 50, NYU 63, Penn 18
Latham: CLS 5, NYU 28, Penn 4
K&E: CLS 30, NYU 29, Penn 4
Total: CLS 370, NYU 358, Penn 142
Normalized by 2012 class size (CLS 460, NYU 478, Penn 270):
Here's what that should tell you: If there is a CLS advantage or NYU, it is very slight and reasonable people could argue over whether it exists given the greater proportion of PI students at NYU. But both CLS and NYU are outplacing Penn in NYC at a pretty substantial rate. But given that we basically already knew that, I don't understand exactly what the argument is.
63% of NYU students go to NYC. Only 40% of Penn students do. That gives you about 301 NYC students for NYU and 108 for Penn based on the class size numbers you gave.
NYU- 358/301= 1.13
Penn- 142/108= 1.31
So Penn actually has a higher elite big law to class size ratio once you adjust for NYC placement.
, if i follow your exact methodology, penn has better elite firm placement than columbia
. penn at 1.31, columbia at 1.21, nyu at 1.13
can you explain why penn beats columbia in elite firm placement?
2) you used grad location data for a single year
and compared it against data from multiple years for firm placement
is there a rationale?
3) you made the exact same mistake
in your numbers w/r/t penn
again, is there a reason behind this?
4) you claimed you were calculating "elite big law", but chose informal data from a tls megapoaster over actual studies
that have been posted in this thread
is there a particular reason for choosing a random tls post over the leiter study, or the other study posted in this thread?
5) related: why did you choose nyc v10 placement, a subset of a subset, to represent all elite placement nationwide
, when there is superior data available?
6) under your methodology, a greater advantage is conferred to schools that send fewer students to nyc
, especially since you weirdly limited the data to v10 firms specifically in nyc
what was the intention here?
7) your class size numbers are wrong
. instead of checking the data for yourself, it appears you parroted data you found in a tls thread but did not check the facts yourself