LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

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LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby jpduran » Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:41 pm

Hi everyone, I got admitted in both programs and I do not know which one to go.

Any suggestions?

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby twenty » Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:45 pm

Since the only way you could have gotten in is by being an international lawyer with at least two years of work experience, why are you doing either one?

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby jpduran » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:41 pm

I want to get further knowledge in environmental subjects. I believe Berkeley is better ranked at Environmental Law, but Stanford is Stanford so I do not know what to do.

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby malleus discentium » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:50 pm

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What do you intend to do with this LLM?

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby jpduran » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:40 pm

I pretend to go after a PhD in Environmental Law. I am really confused so any help will be useful!

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby Clyde Frog » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:47 pm

What about Space Law?!? Space Law is the future!

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby michlaw » Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:59 pm

Stanford for sure. As a credential it is a much better school. The value of a LL.M. is kind of hard for an American crowd to comment on. Generally you would only get one after a U.S. JD if you wanted to teach. When in doubt you can't go wrong with Yale Harvard or Stanford. Environmental law is one of Stanford's specialties.

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby croissantlover » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:25 pm

Stanford for sure. Forget about the specialty ranking, especially when you can attend a T3.

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby BiglawAssociate » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:27 am

michlaw wrote:Stanford for sure. As a credential it is a much better school. The value of a LL.M. is kind of hard for an American crowd to comment on. Generally you would only get one after a U.S. JD if you wanted to teach. When in doubt you can't go wrong with Yale Harvard or Stanford. Environmental law is one of Stanford's specialties.


I think the general American consensus of LLMs is that they are bullshit/money making schemes, unless from a top tier tax program.

I also know some really, really stupid Columbia LLMs, so that might color my thinking, and I'm pretty sure LLMs don't have to even take the LSAT.

That said, if you have money to blow, why not do it? I'd probably go to Stanford because non-tax LLMs are generally bullshit anyway, so just go to the better university.

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby michlaw » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:46 pm

BiglawAssociate wrote:
michlaw wrote:Stanford for sure. As a credential it is a much better school. The value of a LL.M. is kind of hard for an American crowd to comment on. Generally you would only get one after a U.S. JD if you wanted to teach. When in doubt you can't go wrong with Yale Harvard or Stanford. Environmental law is one of Stanford's specialties.


I think the general American consensus of LLMs is that they are bullshit/money making schemes, unless from a top tier tax program.

I also know some really, really stupid Columbia LLMs, so that might color my thinking, and I'm pretty sure LLMs don't have to even take the LSAT.

That said, if you have money to blow, why not do it? I'd probably go to Stanford because non-tax LLMs are generally bullshit anyway, so just go to the better university.


Kind of xenophobic are you not? Over 99% of LL.M. students at YHS are foreign nationals who already have law degrees. They also have careers like judges, diplomats, and professors. A quick glance at the first couple of pages listing Columbia Law School professors shows 5 who have LL.M.'s. I certainly hope those aren't the stupid ones you were referring to.

You seem to ascribe some kind of accomplishment to taking the LSAT. The only requirement to sit for that exam is a pulse.

Bullshit money making scheme? Not a nice thing to say about your school. You do know Columbia has an LL.M. class of 260 each year that brags of an acceptance rate of under 10%. Then again there are those who believe that any law school that isn't HYS is really just a thinly veiled bullshit money making scheme.

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby WhiskeynCoke » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:27 pm

michlaw wrote:
BiglawAssociate wrote:
michlaw wrote:Stanford for sure. As a credential it is a much better school. The value of a LL.M. is kind of hard for an American crowd to comment on. Generally you would only get one after a U.S. JD if you wanted to teach. When in doubt you can't go wrong with Yale Harvard or Stanford. Environmental law is one of Stanford's specialties.


I think the general American consensus of LLMs is that they are bullshit/money making schemes, unless from a top tier tax program.

I also know some really, really stupid Columbia LLMs, so that might color my thinking, and I'm pretty sure LLMs don't have to even take the LSAT.

That said, if you have money to blow, why not do it? I'd probably go to Stanford because non-tax LLMs are generally bullshit anyway, so just go to the better university.


Kind of xenophobic are you not? Over 99% of LL.M. students at YHS are foreign nationals who already have law degrees. They also have careers like judges, diplomats, and professors. A quick glance at the first couple of pages listing Columbia Law School professors shows 5 who have LL.M.'s. I certainly hope those aren't the stupid ones you were referring to.

You seem to ascribe some kind of accomplishment to taking the LSAT. The only requirement to sit for that exam is a pulse.

Bullshit money making scheme? Not a nice thing to say about your school. You do know Columbia has an LL.M. class of 260 each year that brags of an acceptance rate of under 10%. Then again there are those who believe that any law school that isn't HYS is really just a thinly veiled bullshit money making scheme.


Oh come on, BiglawAssociate hit the nail on the head. LLMs are a complete joke in the U.S but are definitely much more useful overseas.

Pretty much all of the LLMs at my school treat it like a vacation and party even harder than the 3Ls.

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby Desert Fox » Sun Mar 29, 2015 3:52 pm

Foreign LLMs are different from JD LLMs. One is probably a scam to rip off foreigners, but the later is definitely a scam.

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby Mal Reynolds » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:02 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Foreign LLMs are different from JD LLMs. One is probably a scam to rip off foreigners, but the later is definitely a scam.


I just thought it was a one to two year study abroad program for rich kids.

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Re: LLM Environmental Law: Stanford vs Berkeley

Postby Desert Fox » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:05 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Foreign LLMs are different from JD LLMs. One is probably a scam to rip off foreigners, but the later is definitely a scam.


I just thought it was a one to two year study abroad program for rich kids.


At NU it was a 70 thousand dollar vacation of sexxy latinos and latinas.




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