rpupkin wrote:BiglawAssociate wrote:XxSpyKEx wrote:But I agree with your re: your bigger point of going to UVA or Michigan for free. Berkley is a peer school to UVA and Michigan, so I don't really understand why anyone would pay $105k to attend Berkley when they could go to UVA or Michigan for free, especially in a situation like this one where the OP doesn't even have any ties to CA.
To answer your question, I'm pretty sure a person who has no sense of money or finances would pay 105k to go to Berkeley over full rides at UVA/Michigan. To work what? A shitty biglaw job in California. Biglaw is shit no matter where you are.
Maybe. But is California biglaw a little less shitty than NYC big law?
I'm not asking rhetorically. I've never worked in NYC. For years, I assumed that the associates-are-worked-to-death-in-NYC thing was basically a flame—associates more or less work the same everywhere. But I've heard enough NYC horror stories of late to make me question whether there's some truth to the stereotype.
Among the larger markets (NYC, DC, Chicago, California, Texas, ATL, etc.) it's more to do with the firm and your department than the region. I'm in NYC biglaw but my friend in DC biglaw has billed more than me every year. And then there are people at my firm billing 2600+ hours a year and we're not a Cravath...
For example, Quinn is a California firm, but it's a notorious sweatshop that I think has minimum billables of 2400. And keep in mind a lot of people bill 70% of what they actually work so if you're legitimately billing 2400-2500 hours a year, you probably have no life outside of work. It's not uncommon to have shit thrown on your desk at 5pm to do overnight (in my experience most things in biglaw are ASAP, so even if you've been at work all day, you better stay until 3 am to finish it). And by then you're tired but they still expect 100% work product. Say you pull a week of 16 hour days - senior associate looks at your "stupid mistakes" and then promptly calls you asking "why did you do that? You need to be more careful."
Biglaw is fucking terrible because the work expectation is 100% at all times yet they work you to death so you're consistently working 12 to 16 hour days....so you're sleep deprived but you still need to do be extremely meticulous and detail oriented. And a lot of the time, depending on the partner, you have to work around their schedule. So say like you were at work for 18 hours the previous day. Partner wants to meet at 9:30 but you're heading in at 10. Partner will get fucking pissed and give you a lecture about how associates should be available at all times (even though the partner leaves by 5 everyday). So basically you're pulling like 20 hour days since you have to work but also wait around for other people and be "available." It fucking blows.
So yeah, biglaw is shit pretty much everywhere.