Eladriel wrote: jbagelboy wrote:
ub3r wrote:Really though, can a recent Columbia grad walk into a firm in California, cut in front of the UCLA grads, and get that sweet legal job no sweat? Metaphorical and exaggerated, but how close to the truth is that?
very far, since most firm recruiting occurs late summer after 1L. That being said, large firms would definitely go lower into the class at CLS at OCI ("cut in front"), but that doesn't mean you should go there at that cost. It also depends on ties: obviously the CLS student will have to meet a higher bar in terms of convincing the employer they actually want to be in CA. For small firms and public interest recruiting that actually does happen post-grad, UCLA probably has a leg up due to networking/local connections required for such positions
When you pay for Columbia aren't you paying for that management of risk? National job placement options that beat even the local schools, generous curve, non-discretionary B-'s, Biglaw factory? As 0Ls we're supposed to assume we'll be median--median at CLS is still salvageable while median at UCLA isn't?
Well, sure. Median at CLS is a lot better than salvageable: it's a set of great offers and summering at a V20, assuming you're an okay interviewer. Bottom third is better described as "salvageable." Also, there's a question of firm quality: CLS's preeminence shows even more in elite corporate firms. But as a response to uber's question, no *grad* from any school can show up in another market and get a job at a good firm, that's not how recruiting works. A few other points:
*the B- are
discretionary; they aren't on the curve. That's the whole advantage. You can be near the bottom of every class (straight B's) and still make it through EIP.
**Biglaw factory, eh. Maybe for a majority. Don't underestimate the placement power into federal government positions and national fellowships as well. The US Attorney General (highest gov attorney in the country), the Solicitor General, the Chair of the SEC, the AAG for the Criminal Division, ect. are all CLS grads.
***All this being said, for someone who wants to work long-term in Los Angeles at a firm, it's probably not worth moving across the country and borrowing $200,000 extra cash for these perks.