wsag826 wrote:jbagelboy wrote:wsag826 wrote:I think that, given your financial situation and the options presented, you should go with your gut. And I think, based on your previous posts OP, your gut is saying Harvard. Don't feel bad because debt-averse TLSers are scaring you away from monthly debt payments by pointing to employment outcomes.
YHS is a floor above CCN for a reason. YHS will give you more latitude to do with your career whatever it is you'd like to. Not saying NYU won't give you any latitude, but an HLS degree will certainly give you more. If your parents are OK with financing, there's no need to feel bad about turning down a full ride at a school with a lower reputation. I'm not dogging NYU, which would be an excellent choice. I'm merely saying that OP's financial situation does not necessitate the typical debt-averse "take sticker and you'll die" argument, so thus OP should consider the prestige, network, and reputation of HLS and NYU before deciding.
Financially, you will be fine with an HLS degree at sticker. Anyone who wishes to suggest that an HLS degree will push you into squalor or middle-class "mediocrity" can be my guest...but I think rational people know that an HLS degree will make you rich the same way an NYU degree does. Outside of the TLS bubble, it is my opinion that NYU over HLS with any financial package given your circumstances would be hard to rationalize.
Note that this is just me, a 0L, speaking for the minority here when I say that debt cannot always and should not always be the final consideration. You can be obsessed about money and maybe you'll always feel financially secure. Or you can take a risk to put yourself in a better position. Best case scenario, you control your destiny with an HLS degree. Worst case scenario, you have a degree from Harvard Law School and your loving parents will gladly incur monthly payments because they can afford to and because wisdom has told them that money cannot always be one's #1 consideration.
You're not a very good poster, you write with a lot of fluff and zero substance, you've never been to law school and you should probably stop and revisit these opinions in a few years when you realize how little it matters between these schools.
I have thought every now and then that I'm not qualified to respond to these threads...until I realize the people behind the "debt doomsday" posts are mostly 0Ls, current law students, or associates fresh out of law school--none of whom are qualified to tell anyone about the uncertainty of debt payments a decade or two decades out of law school. That's when I realized that it's worth speaking up since the vast majority of TLSers run away from debt for personal reasons--and not with any substance either.
OP is free to take my comments how OP pleases and I was clear in saying that I'm a 0L. But I'm struggling to ascertain how one could rationally suggest that "little matters" between HLS and NYU. Name matters. Don't think so? It's time to look at this country's elite firms and elite jobs (federal clerkships, elite PI and government jobs, etc.) and I'm sure you won't be surprised to find that the majority come from YHS. YHS simply has an upper hand over CCN and any other T14 school and yes, it is because of their names, reputations, alumni networks, and endowments. To look at these things and suggest that they don't matter in comparison with short-term employment outcomes is far-fetched. Short-term employment outcomes do not speak to where graduates end up in a decade or two. In fact, like many other TLSers believe, short-term employment outcomes are often skewed by self-selection in the T3.
Everyone who chooses to chide me for saying that there is justification for taking HLS sticker > NYU $$ is free to do so. But please do not for a minute suggest that your posts come with any more substance than my posts when all you're basing your argument on are short-term employment outcomes and loan payments you've heard others in debt are making.
I base my advise and observations on my experiences recruiting with the types of positions you're referring to, as do other law students and practitioners on here. Now, granted, people's experiences differ, and there are substantive discussions about opportunity cost we can have for specific regions and positions. You can feel free to read and comment on LST data. But your blanket assessments of an industry and its signaling patterns that you know very little about, based largely on some notions you gathered from magazine surveys (which is most of your posts), that's what I take issue with.