Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby shadowfax » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:16 pm

Problem solved.
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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby chuckbass » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:56 pm

shadowfax wrote:The old joke that is about doctors is true about lawyers. What do you call the person who passes the accrediting exam with the lowest score? 200k down and unemployed or debt free and unemployed is the worst case.

You will know by the 1st year if big law is possible or not. Michigan is a forced curve and even though they have tweaked gpa's it is still a merciless sorting mechanism. If you think you can be top 15% at Michigan then the 200k bet is worth it. If not St. Louis all day every day.

It is not just about Michigan vs St Louis but where you will place in each. That calls for an informed forecast by the individual that only they can make. Top 10% at St Louis is quite possibly better than median at Michigan in terms of potential outcomes.

Honestly you're almost completely incomprehensible.

However, you are right that being top 10% at WUSTL is probably better than being median at Michigan. The problem though is that despite whatever misconceived notions you have, it is not any easier to do better at WUSTL than at Michigan.

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby shadowfax » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:16 pm

Problem solved.
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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby zombie mcavoy » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:19 pm

Op this guy is a literal moron; disregard

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby shadowfax » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:30 pm

What would be a figurative moron?
You can love michigan all you want but that won't stop it's fall.

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby 03152016 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:34 pm

maybe it's someone who insults the intelligence of other posters but can't figure out how to use an apostrophe

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby zombie mcavoy » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:37 pm

shadowfax wrote:What would be a figurative moron?
You can love michigan all you want but that won't stop it's fall.

Someone who didn't actually have intellectual struggles but figuratively did

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby shadowfax » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:39 pm

Or capitalization and punctuation. People in glass houses. This name calling is silly. St Louis is a better choice.

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby 03152016 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:45 pm

shadowfax wrote:Or capitalization and punctuation. People in glass houses.

gee, if only there were a way to distinguish
have a good think; i'm sure someone of your mental acumen can crack the case

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby zombie mcavoy » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:48 pm

lulz

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby shadowfax » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:56 pm

It is going to take the Michigan faithful a while to get used to being a consideration against schools like St Louis. The reality is that you as close in the rankings to St Louis as you are far away from YHSCC. Adjusting to a new environment will take some time.

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby zombie mcavoy » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:57 pm

Yeah burt and I are real michigan homers

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby chuckbass » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:08 pm

shadowfax wrote:For your benefit I will talk more slowly. Raise your hand when you get lost. Entry stats relative to class medians are in fact the best predictors of class standing.

Thank you for talking slower.

Michigan c/o 2017 medians: 168/3.74
WUSTL c/o 2017 medians: 166/3.62

If your point was true, I don't see how one could expect to do that much better at WUSTL than at Michigan given the similar makeup of their classes.

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby 03152016 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:16 pm

yeah, student selectivity is a curve, not a cliff, and there are limits to what you can infer about performance
sure, there is a relationship between gpa/lsat and student performance, otherwise it would not be used
but i don't buy that mich and wustl are that far apart (at least as far as those two metrics are concerned)
and i also think it's foolish to make assumptions about your future performance when selecting a school

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby MarkinKansasCity » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:21 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:
shadowfax wrote:For your benefit I will talk more slowly. Raise your hand when you get lost. Entry stats relative to class medians are in fact the best predictors of class standing.

Thank you for talking slower.

Michigan c/o 2017 medians: 168/3.74
WUSTL c/o 2017 medians: 166/3.62

If your point was true, I don't see how one could expect to do that much better at WUSTL than at Michigan given the similar makeup of their classes.


There's really not that big of a difference between someone who got 80/100 on the LSAT and 83/100. Three extra correct multiple choice questions does not ensure you will dominate at one school and be median at another. The scores are so close that you're literally within the margin of error.

http://www.lsac.org/jd/lsat/your-score/score-band

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby shadowfax » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:29 pm

In my neighborhood there is a saying, all p's equals 160 g's. If you are a different neighborhood you better have a pretty good mental picture of how the 1L year will turn out because it means everything. Again back to op is Michigan worth 200 k more? The answer to that is no.

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby thatsnotmyname » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:32 pm

shadowfax wrote:In my neighborhood there is a saying, all p's equals 160 g's. If you are a different neighborhood you better have a pretty good mental picture of how the 1L year will turn out because it means everything. Again back to op is Michigan worth 200 k more? The answer to that is no.


Where approximately is your neighborhood located?

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby shadowfax » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:48 pm

Problem solved.
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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby LawsRUs » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:53 pm

I don't remember anybody itt saying OP should take Michigan--someone please correct me if I am wrong.

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby rahulg91 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:00 pm

shadowfax wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:
shadowfax wrote:For your benefit I will talk more slowly. Raise your hand when you get lost. Entry stats relative to class medians are in fact the best predictors of class standing.

Thank you for talking slower.

Michigan c/o 2017 medians: 168/3.74
WUSTL c/o 2017 medians: 166/3.62

If your point was true, I don't see how one could expect to do that much better at WUSTL than at Michigan given the similar makeup of their classes.


I agree they are peer schools. So why would you spend 200k more for Michigan?


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OP wants NY biglaw. Cornell is ideal, but between WUSTL and Michigan I don't see how there's any confusion to which option would make OP's goals possible. If OP was geographically indifferent, WUSTL. But that's not the case here.

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby thatsnotmyname » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:04 pm

shadowfax wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:
shadowfax wrote:For your benefit I will talk more slowly. Raise your hand when you get lost. Entry stats relative to class medians are in fact the best predictors of class standing.

Thank you for talking slower.

Michigan c/o 2017 medians: 168/3.74
WUSTL c/o 2017 medians: 166/3.62

If your point was true, I don't see how one could expect to do that much better at WUSTL than at Michigan given the similar makeup of their classes.


I agree they are peer schools. So why would you spend 200k more for Michigan?


I don't care for UM at all, but saying that WUSTL and UM are peer schools is blatantly wrong. Looking at LST, 57% of UM goes to BigLaw+Federal Clerkships vs. 32% for WUSTL. That's a pretty large discrepancy and I don't understand how you could reconcile that discrepancy to make the claim that UM and WUSTL are peer school.

http://www.lstscorereports.com/compare/michigan/washu/

I'm not saying that what Mich offers is paying the price that OP has been offered. If these are the only two choices, I would take WUSTL. But that does not imply that these are peer schools, it just means that under certain circumstances it is a better decision to attend WUSTL rather than UM.

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby 03152016 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:11 pm

rahulg91 wrote:OP wants NY biglaw. Cornell is ideal, but between WUSTL and Michigan I don't see how there's any confusion to which option would make OP's goals possible. If OP was geographically indifferent, WUSTL. But that's not the case here.

i agree that mich makes more sense for op's goals than wustl
but op also said that she was debt-averse, so mich isn't the right choice here either (i calculated her coa at almost $238k)
unless she's willing to compromise on one of those two objectives – wanting biglaw in ny and wanting to avoid crushing debt – she will either have to head back to the negotiating table with other schools or reapply
right now it's a hobson's choice

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby LawsRUs » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:24 pm

OP (If you are still reading this), you are in the middle of negotiating right?
So you're'nt leaving us to choose between these two options, both of which don't make sense given your goals and your stand against debt financing?

btw Brut, I like your "location," it could fit you.

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby BigZuck » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:31 pm

shadowfax wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:
shadowfax wrote:For your benefit I will talk more slowly. Raise your hand when you get lost. Entry stats relative to class medians are in fact the best predictors of class standing.

Thank you for talking slower.

Michigan c/o 2017 medians: 168/3.74
WUSTL c/o 2017 medians: 166/3.62

If your point was true, I don't see how one could expect to do that much better at WUSTL than at Michigan given the similar makeup of their classes.


I agree they are peer schools. So why would you spend 200k more for Michigan?

(BigZuck alt)

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Re: Mich $ or WUSTL full-ride?

Postby chuckbass » Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:47 pm

BigZuck wrote:
shadowfax wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:
shadowfax wrote:For your benefit I will talk more slowly. Raise your hand when you get lost. Entry stats relative to class medians are in fact the best predictors of class standing.

Thank you for talking slower.

Michigan c/o 2017 medians: 168/3.74
WUSTL c/o 2017 medians: 166/3.62

If your point was true, I don't see how one could expect to do that much better at WUSTL than at Michigan given the similar makeup of their classes.


I agree they are peer schools. So why would you spend 200k more for Michigan?

(BigZuck alt)

I'd believe that if he didn't sound like a BiglawAssociate alt.




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