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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby Tiago Splitter » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:31 pm

brianiac wrote:How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.

We're talking about Michigan. Your reasoning would apply to Duke, Penn, Cornell, etc. Hell your reasoning would apply to Harvard.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby TheOnePercent » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:32 pm

brianiac wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
brianiac wrote:Michigan doesn't have an area for itself. That's why it's declining. Every big legal city has two powerhouses. California = Stanford/Berkeley. New York = Columbia/NYU. Chicago = University of Chicago/Northwestern. Washington DC = Georgetown/GW. Those are the movers and shakers in the largest legal cities in the country. What does Michigan have. Ann Arbor? Detroit? Sorry, it's time for Michigan students to face the music.

You lost me with the GULC/GW thing. Michigan would do better if another top school showed up in the Detroit area? Ok

Anyways, here are the biglaw/fed clerk numbers from 2010-2013:

Columbia: 74.5%
Penn: 71.25%
Harvard: 70.25%
Chicago: 67.5%
Cornell: 65.25%
NYU: 63.25%
Northwestern: 60%
Duke: 59.75%
UVA: 58.25%
Berkeley: 57.75%
Michigan: 52%
GULC: 44.25%

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How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.

I take issue with G'Town and GW being deemed "powerhouses" in anything.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby 052220152 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:32 pm

brianiac wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
brianiac wrote:Michigan doesn't have an area for itself. That's why it's declining. Every big legal city has two powerhouses. California = Stanford/Berkeley. New York = Columbia/NYU. Chicago = University of Chicago/Northwestern. Washington DC = Georgetown/GW. Those are the movers and shakers in the largest legal cities in the country. What does Michigan have. Ann Arbor? Detroit? Sorry, it's time for Michigan students to face the music.

You lost me with the GULC/GW thing. Michigan would do better if another top school showed up in the Detroit area? Ok

Anyways, here are the biglaw/fed clerk numbers from 2010-2013:

Columbia: 74.5%
Penn: 71.25%
Harvard: 70.25%
Chicago: 67.5%
Cornell: 65.25%
NYU: 63.25%
Northwestern: 60%
Duke: 59.75%
UVA: 58.25%
Berkeley: 57.75%
Michigan: 52%
GULC: 44.25%

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How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.


1) california isn't a city, 2) lol at listing gulc and gw for DC, 3) i guess someone should call penn, duke, and virginia and tell them that they are fucked.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby 052220152 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:34 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
brianiac wrote:How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.

We're talking about Michigan. Your reasoning would apply to Duke, Penn, Cornell, etc. Hell your reasoning would apply to Harvard.


thank god yale is right next to the legal epicenter of new haven

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby DaftAndDirect » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:37 pm

Curious to know where TheOnePercent goes to school.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby brianiac » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:37 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
brianiac wrote:How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.

We're talking about Michigan. Your reasoning would apply to Duke, Penn, Cornell, etc. Hell your reasoning would apply to Harvard.

Penn, Cornell, and Harvard are on a different level than Michigan. My point remains.

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brianiac wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
brianiac wrote:Michigan doesn't have an area for itself. That's why it's declining. Every big legal city has two powerhouses. California = Stanford/Berkeley. New York = Columbia/NYU. Chicago = University of Chicago/Northwestern. Washington DC = Georgetown/GW. Those are the movers and shakers in the largest legal cities in the country. What does Michigan have. Ann Arbor? Detroit? Sorry, it's time for Michigan students to face the music.

You lost me with the GULC/GW thing. Michigan would do better if another top school showed up in the Detroit area? Ok

Anyways, here are the biglaw/fed clerk numbers from 2010-2013:

Columbia: 74.5%
Penn: 71.25%
Harvard: 70.25%
Chicago: 67.5%
Cornell: 65.25%
NYU: 63.25%
Northwestern: 60%
Duke: 59.75%
UVA: 58.25%
Berkeley: 57.75%
Michigan: 52%
GULC: 44.25%

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=245071

How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.

I take issue with G'Town and GW being deemed "powerhouses" in anything.

Uh, okay. Good luck with that flawed logic.

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brianiac wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
brianiac wrote:Michigan doesn't have an area for itself. That's why it's declining. Every big legal city has two powerhouses. California = Stanford/Berkeley. New York = Columbia/NYU. Chicago = University of Chicago/Northwestern. Washington DC = Georgetown/GW. Those are the movers and shakers in the largest legal cities in the country. What does Michigan have. Ann Arbor? Detroit? Sorry, it's time for Michigan students to face the music.

You lost me with the GULC/GW thing. Michigan would do better if another top school showed up in the Detroit area? Ok

Anyways, here are the biglaw/fed clerk numbers from 2010-2013:

Columbia: 74.5%
Penn: 71.25%
Harvard: 70.25%
Chicago: 67.5%
Cornell: 65.25%
NYU: 63.25%
Northwestern: 60%
Duke: 59.75%
UVA: 58.25%
Berkeley: 57.75%
Michigan: 52%
GULC: 44.25%

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=245071

How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.


1) california isn't a city, 2) lol at listing gulc and gw for DC, 3) i guess someone should call penn, duke, and virginia and tell them that they are fucked.

Okay, I obviously meant the cities in California. Also, Georgetown and GW are the powerhouses in DC. I don't know of any other powerhouses in DC, do you? If so, please list them.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby 052220152 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:39 pm

brianiac wrote:Okay, I obviously meant the cities in California. Also, Georgetown and GW are the powerhouses in DC. I don't know of any other powerhouses in DC, do you? If so, please list them.


bigger powerhouses than GW and GULC in DC: HYSCCNPDVMNC

so i guess you meant to say bay: berk/stanford, LA:usc/ucla?

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby brianiac » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:41 pm

Jim Jones wrote:
brianiac wrote:Okay, I obviously meant the cities in California. Also, Georgetown and GW are the powerhouses in DC. I don't know of any other powerhouses in DC, do you? If so, please list them.


bigger powerhouses than GW and GULC in DC: HYSCCNPDVMNC

so i guess you meant to say bay: berk/stanford, LA:usc/ucla?

Virtually everyone at G/G is competitive in DC. Only the top of those schools you listed get the same opportunity. You just made my point for me.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby Tiago Splitter » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:42 pm

brianiac wrote:I'm going to law school to begin a career in politics. I have been accepted to William and Mary and American. I am waitlisted at George Washington, was rejected at Georgetown. For now, assume that my options are William and Mary, American, and George Washington.

Which has the best program for politics? George Washington has the best ranking and the best reputation. Also, which would give me the best chance to transfer to Georgetown? Do NOT tell me not to go to law school to enter politics; lots of politicians went to law school. I just want to figure out the best one. Also, do NOT ask me about money, and do NOT tell me to retake, thank you for your cooperation in advance. Pretend that I am very wealthy and have taken the LSAT three times if that helps you.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby BigZuck » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:48 pm

BigZuck wrote:Bit of a slow start but this thread is shaping up quite nicely. Looking forward to seeing where it goes over the next 3-4 pages.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby Cobretti » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:48 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
brianiac wrote:I'm going to law school to begin a career in politics. I have been accepted to William and Mary and American. I am waitlisted at George Washington, was rejected at Georgetown. For now, assume that my options are William and Mary, American, and George Washington.

Which has the best program for politics? George Washington has the best ranking and the best reputation. Also, which would give me the best chance to transfer to Georgetown? Do NOT tell me not to go to law school to enter politics; lots of politicians went to law school. I just want to figure out the best one. Also, do NOT ask me about money, and do NOT tell me to retake, thank you for your cooperation in advance. Pretend that I am very wealthy and have taken the LSAT three times if that helps you.

:lol:

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby NYSprague » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:51 pm

I think you guys are discounting the effect of the complete collapse of Detroit on Michigan. It was the home of some of the largest corporations in America for decades. It had to be a hiring center for Michigan grads before the c ollapse. I know there was a ton of restructuring work during the bankruptcies.

No other school has had a complete collapse of a major city.
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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby brianiac » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:52 pm

I'm no longer waitlisted so jokes on you. Can we get back on topic.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby Tiago Splitter » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:52 pm

brianiac wrote:I'm no longer waitlisted so jokes on you. Can we get back on topic.

oh shit you got me bro my bad

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby 052220152 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:57 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
brianiac wrote:I'm no longer waitlisted so jokes on you. Can we get back on topic.

oh shit you got me bro my bad


he's gonna nuke your career when hes a politician

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby 052220152 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:58 pm

NYSprague wrote:I think you guys are discounting the effect of the complete collapse of Detroit on Michigan. It was the home of some of the largest corporations in America for decades. It had to be a hiring center for Michigan grads before the c ollapse. I know there was a ton of restructuring work during the bankruptcies.

No other school has had a complete collapse of a major city.


it would certainly benefit michigan to have detroit not be a toilet, but when exactly did detroit collapse?

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby BiglawAssociate » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:00 am

DaftAndDirect wrote:Curious to know where TheOnePercent goes to school.


Dunno - pretty sure it's an alt. He also seems obsessed with Michigan, so maybe former reject of said school?

I will say this much - a lot of the current law students posting in this thread seem insufferable. Here's hoping you guys don't get biglaw jobs...we don't need more d-bags at firms.
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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby brianiac » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:01 am

Jim Jones wrote:
NYSprague wrote:I think you guys are discounting the effect of the complete collapse of Detroit on Michigan. It was the home of some of the largest corporations in America for decades. It had to be a hiring center for Michigan grads before the c ollapse. I know there was a ton of restructuring work during the bankruptcies.

No other school has had a complete collapse of a major city.


it would certainly benefit michigan to have detroit not be a toilet, but when exactly did detroit collapse?

I know a lot about this, Detroit has fallen because of the auto workers unions which made American manufacturers less competitive against foreign manufacturers. The recent recalls have not helped. It's a variation on the resource curse, Detroit is too heavily based on auto manufacturing. I'm sorry, but that's the reality.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby BiglawAssociate » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:03 am

Brianic - If you want a career in politics, why are you bothering going to law school? Are you from a rich white background? If not, you're likely f*cked anyway. I wouldn't go to law school unless your intent was to network with rich people.

This is what I don't get about poors - going to school doesn't get you sh*t in life for the most part, especially not a politics career.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby brianiac » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:08 am

BiglawAssociate wrote:Brianic - If you want a career in politics, why are you bothering going to law school? Are you from a rich white background? If not, you're likely f*cked anyway. I wouldn't go to law school unless your intent was to network with rich people.

This is what I don't get about poors - going to school doesn't get you sh*t in life for the most part, especially not a politics career.

Politics is my passion and calling. I know I can make a difference. It is not about the money. I think that is a foolish way to live your life and very small-minded. If you aren't doing what you are passionate about you might as well lie down on the railroad tracks, because what is the point.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby BiglawAssociate » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:11 am

brianiac wrote:
BiglawAssociate wrote:Brianic - If you want a career in politics, why are you bothering going to law school? Are you from a rich white background? If not, you're likely f*cked anyway. I wouldn't go to law school unless your intent was to network with rich people.

This is what I don't get about poors - going to school doesn't get you sh*t in life for the most part, especially not a politics career.

Politics is my passion and calling. I know I can make a difference. It is not about the money. I think that is a foolish way to live your life and very small-minded. If you aren't doing what you are passionate about you might as well lie down on the railroad tracks, because what is the point.


And going to law school does what for you? You aren't going to make it in politics without money.

Money allows me to do whatever the f*ck I want, when I want, including not having a standard office job. I'm talking about f*ck you money though (not biglaw money). So at least 10-20mm in the bank earning interest.
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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby NYSprague » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:12 am

brianiac wrote:
Jim Jones wrote:
NYSprague wrote:I think you guys are discounting the effect of the complete collapse of Detroit on Michigan. It was the home of some of the largest corporations in America for decades. It had to be a hiring center for Michigan grads before the c ollapse. I know there was a ton of restructuring work during the bankruptcies.

No other school has had a complete collapse of a major city.


it would certainly benefit michigan to have detroit not be a toilet, but when exactly did detroit collapse?

I know a lot about this, Detroit has fallen because of the auto workers unions which made American manufacturers less competitive against foreign manufacturers. The recent recalls have not helped. It's a variation on the resource curse, Detroit is too heavily based on auto manufacturing. I'm sorry, but that's the reality.


2009 was probably the death knell. But it started earlier, 2003?

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby brianiac » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:13 am

BiglawAssociate wrote:
brianiac wrote:
BiglawAssociate wrote:Brianic - If you want a career in politics, why are you bothering going to law school? Are you from a rich white background? If not, you're likely f*cked anyway. I wouldn't go to law school unless your intent was to network with rich people.

This is what I don't get about poors - going to school doesn't get you sh*t in life for the most part, especially not a politics career.

Politics is my passion and calling. I know I can make a difference. It is not about the money. I think that is a foolish way to live your life and very small-minded. If you aren't doing what you are passionate about you might as well lie down on the railroad tracks, because what is the point.


And going to law school does what for you? You aren't going to make it in politics without money.

Money allows me to do whatever the f*ck I want, when I want, including not having a standard office job.

I feel for you, really I do, but I'm not going to follow your life choices. You go off and make your money, I do hope that gives your life meaning.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby BiglawAssociate » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:14 am

brianiac wrote:
BiglawAssociate wrote:
brianiac wrote:
BiglawAssociate wrote:Brianic - If you want a career in politics, why are you bothering going to law school? Are you from a rich white background? If not, you're likely f*cked anyway. I wouldn't go to law school unless your intent was to network with rich people.

This is what I don't get about poors - going to school doesn't get you sh*t in life for the most part, especially not a politics career.

Politics is my passion and calling. I know I can make a difference. It is not about the money. I think that is a foolish way to live your life and very small-minded. If you aren't doing what you are passionate about you might as well lie down on the railroad tracks, because what is the point.


And going to law school does what for you? You aren't going to make it in politics without money.

Money allows me to do whatever the f*ck I want, when I want, including not having a standard office job.

I feel for you, really I do, but I'm not going to follow your life choices. You go off and make your money, I do hope that gives your life meaning.


I married into it, but I want to make my own f*ck you money by starting my own business. Working for other people is ttterrible. You can never be rich as a lawyer - you're just picking off scraps from finance and bankers.

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Re: what's up with Michigan

Postby 052220152 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:16 am

Damn, finding a super rich wife would make life so much easier




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