We're talking about Michigan. Your reasoning would apply to Duke, Penn, Cornell, etc. Hell your reasoning would apply to Harvard.brianiac wrote: How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.
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I take issue with G'Town and GW being deemed "powerhouses" in anything.brianiac wrote:How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.Tiago Splitter wrote:You lost me with the GULC/GW thing. Michigan would do better if another top school showed up in the Detroit area? Okbrianiac wrote:Michigan doesn't have an area for itself. That's why it's declining. Every big legal city has two powerhouses. California = Stanford/Berkeley. New York = Columbia/NYU. Chicago = University of Chicago/Northwestern. Washington DC = Georgetown/GW. Those are the movers and shakers in the largest legal cities in the country. What does Michigan have. Ann Arbor? Detroit? Sorry, it's time for Michigan students to face the music.
Anyways, here are the biglaw/fed clerk numbers from 2010-2013:
Columbia: 74.5%
Penn: 71.25%
Harvard: 70.25%
Chicago: 67.5%
Cornell: 65.25%
NYU: 63.25%
Northwestern: 60%
Duke: 59.75%
UVA: 58.25%
Berkeley: 57.75%
Michigan: 52%
GULC: 44.25%
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1) california isn't a city, 2) lol at listing gulc and gw for DC, 3) i guess someone should call penn, duke, and virginia and tell them that they are fucked.brianiac wrote:How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.Tiago Splitter wrote:You lost me with the GULC/GW thing. Michigan would do better if another top school showed up in the Detroit area? Okbrianiac wrote:Michigan doesn't have an area for itself. That's why it's declining. Every big legal city has two powerhouses. California = Stanford/Berkeley. New York = Columbia/NYU. Chicago = University of Chicago/Northwestern. Washington DC = Georgetown/GW. Those are the movers and shakers in the largest legal cities in the country. What does Michigan have. Ann Arbor? Detroit? Sorry, it's time for Michigan students to face the music.
Anyways, here are the biglaw/fed clerk numbers from 2010-2013:
Columbia: 74.5%
Penn: 71.25%
Harvard: 70.25%
Chicago: 67.5%
Cornell: 65.25%
NYU: 63.25%
Northwestern: 60%
Duke: 59.75%
UVA: 58.25%
Berkeley: 57.75%
Michigan: 52%
GULC: 44.25%
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thank god yale is right next to the legal epicenter of new havenTiago Splitter wrote:We're talking about Michigan. Your reasoning would apply to Duke, Penn, Cornell, etc. Hell your reasoning would apply to Harvard.brianiac wrote: How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.
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Penn, Cornell, and Harvard are on a different level than Michigan. My point remains.Tiago Splitter wrote:We're talking about Michigan. Your reasoning would apply to Duke, Penn, Cornell, etc. Hell your reasoning would apply to Harvard.brianiac wrote: How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.
Uh, okay. Good luck with that flawed logic.TheOnePercent wrote:I take issue with G'Town and GW being deemed "powerhouses" in anything.brianiac wrote:How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.Tiago Splitter wrote:You lost me with the GULC/GW thing. Michigan would do better if another top school showed up in the Detroit area? Okbrianiac wrote:Michigan doesn't have an area for itself. That's why it's declining. Every big legal city has two powerhouses. California = Stanford/Berkeley. New York = Columbia/NYU. Chicago = University of Chicago/Northwestern. Washington DC = Georgetown/GW. Those are the movers and shakers in the largest legal cities in the country. What does Michigan have. Ann Arbor? Detroit? Sorry, it's time for Michigan students to face the music.
Anyways, here are the biglaw/fed clerk numbers from 2010-2013:
Columbia: 74.5%
Penn: 71.25%
Harvard: 70.25%
Chicago: 67.5%
Cornell: 65.25%
NYU: 63.25%
Northwestern: 60%
Duke: 59.75%
UVA: 58.25%
Berkeley: 57.75%
Michigan: 52%
GULC: 44.25%
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Okay, I obviously meant the cities in California. Also, Georgetown and GW are the powerhouses in DC. I don't know of any other powerhouses in DC, do you? If so, please list them.Jim Jones wrote:1) california isn't a city, 2) lol at listing gulc and gw for DC, 3) i guess someone should call penn, duke, and virginia and tell them that they are fucked.brianiac wrote:How did I lose you? Four big cities for legal jobs. Each with two major schools feeding into that region. What is so hard to understand.Tiago Splitter wrote:You lost me with the GULC/GW thing. Michigan would do better if another top school showed up in the Detroit area? Okbrianiac wrote:Michigan doesn't have an area for itself. That's why it's declining. Every big legal city has two powerhouses. California = Stanford/Berkeley. New York = Columbia/NYU. Chicago = University of Chicago/Northwestern. Washington DC = Georgetown/GW. Those are the movers and shakers in the largest legal cities in the country. What does Michigan have. Ann Arbor? Detroit? Sorry, it's time for Michigan students to face the music.
Anyways, here are the biglaw/fed clerk numbers from 2010-2013:
Columbia: 74.5%
Penn: 71.25%
Harvard: 70.25%
Chicago: 67.5%
Cornell: 65.25%
NYU: 63.25%
Northwestern: 60%
Duke: 59.75%
UVA: 58.25%
Berkeley: 57.75%
Michigan: 52%
GULC: 44.25%
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bigger powerhouses than GW and GULC in DC: HYSCCNPDVMNCbrianiac wrote: Okay, I obviously meant the cities in California. Also, Georgetown and GW are the powerhouses in DC. I don't know of any other powerhouses in DC, do you? If so, please list them.
so i guess you meant to say bay: berk/stanford, LA:usc/ucla?
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Virtually everyone at G/G is competitive in DC. Only the top of those schools you listed get the same opportunity. You just made my point for me.Jim Jones wrote:bigger powerhouses than GW and GULC in DC: HYSCCNPDVMNCbrianiac wrote: Okay, I obviously meant the cities in California. Also, Georgetown and GW are the powerhouses in DC. I don't know of any other powerhouses in DC, do you? If so, please list them.
so i guess you meant to say bay: berk/stanford, LA:usc/ucla?
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brianiac wrote:I'm going to law school to begin a career in politics. I have been accepted to William and Mary and American. I am waitlisted at George Washington, was rejected at Georgetown. For now, assume that my options are William and Mary, American, and George Washington.
Which has the best program for politics? George Washington has the best ranking and the best reputation. Also, which would give me the best chance to transfer to Georgetown? Do NOT tell me not to go to law school to enter politics; lots of politicians went to law school. I just want to figure out the best one. Also, do NOT ask me about money, and do NOT tell me to retake, thank you for your cooperation in advance. Pretend that I am very wealthy and have taken the LSAT three times if that helps you.
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PRESCIENT AFBigZuck wrote:Bit of a slow start but this thread is shaping up quite nicely. Looking forward to seeing where it goes over the next 3-4 pages.
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Tiago Splitter wrote:brianiac wrote:I'm going to law school to begin a career in politics. I have been accepted to William and Mary and American. I am waitlisted at George Washington, was rejected at Georgetown. For now, assume that my options are William and Mary, American, and George Washington.
Which has the best program for politics? George Washington has the best ranking and the best reputation. Also, which would give me the best chance to transfer to Georgetown? Do NOT tell me not to go to law school to enter politics; lots of politicians went to law school. I just want to figure out the best one. Also, do NOT ask me about money, and do NOT tell me to retake, thank you for your cooperation in advance. Pretend that I am very wealthy and have taken the LSAT three times if that helps you.
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I think you guys are discounting the effect of the complete collapse of Detroit on Michigan. It was the home of some of the largest corporations in America for decades. It had to be a hiring center for Michigan grads before the c ollapse. I know there was a ton of restructuring work during the bankruptcies.
No other school has had a complete collapse of a major city.
No other school has had a complete collapse of a major city.
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I'm no longer waitlisted so jokes on you. Can we get back on topic.
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oh shit you got me bro my badbrianiac wrote:I'm no longer waitlisted so jokes on you. Can we get back on topic.
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he's gonna nuke your career when hes a politicianTiago Splitter wrote:oh shit you got me bro my badbrianiac wrote:I'm no longer waitlisted so jokes on you. Can we get back on topic.
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it would certainly benefit michigan to have detroit not be a toilet, but when exactly did detroit collapse?NYSprague wrote:I think you guys are discounting the effect of the complete collapse of Detroit on Michigan. It was the home of some of the largest corporations in America for decades. It had to be a hiring center for Michigan grads before the c ollapse. I know there was a ton of restructuring work during the bankruptcies.
No other school has had a complete collapse of a major city.
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Dunno - pretty sure it's an alt. He also seems obsessed with Michigan, so maybe former reject of said school?DaftAndDirect wrote:Curious to know where TheOnePercent goes to school.
I will say this much - a lot of the current law students posting in this thread seem insufferable. Here's hoping you guys don't get biglaw jobs...we don't need more d-bags at firms.
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I know a lot about this, Detroit has fallen because of the auto workers unions which made American manufacturers less competitive against foreign manufacturers. The recent recalls have not helped. It's a variation on the resource curse, Detroit is too heavily based on auto manufacturing. I'm sorry, but that's the reality.Jim Jones wrote:it would certainly benefit michigan to have detroit not be a toilet, but when exactly did detroit collapse?NYSprague wrote:I think you guys are discounting the effect of the complete collapse of Detroit on Michigan. It was the home of some of the largest corporations in America for decades. It had to be a hiring center for Michigan grads before the c ollapse. I know there was a ton of restructuring work during the bankruptcies.
No other school has had a complete collapse of a major city.
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Brianic - If you want a career in politics, why are you bothering going to law school? Are you from a rich white background? If not, you're likely f*cked anyway. I wouldn't go to law school unless your intent was to network with rich people.
This is what I don't get about poors - going to school doesn't get you sh*t in life for the most part, especially not a politics career.
This is what I don't get about poors - going to school doesn't get you sh*t in life for the most part, especially not a politics career.
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Politics is my passion and calling. I know I can make a difference. It is not about the money. I think that is a foolish way to live your life and very small-minded. If you aren't doing what you are passionate about you might as well lie down on the railroad tracks, because what is the point.BiglawAssociate wrote:Brianic - If you want a career in politics, why are you bothering going to law school? Are you from a rich white background? If not, you're likely f*cked anyway. I wouldn't go to law school unless your intent was to network with rich people.
This is what I don't get about poors - going to school doesn't get you sh*t in life for the most part, especially not a politics career.
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And going to law school does what for you? You aren't going to make it in politics without money.brianiac wrote:Politics is my passion and calling. I know I can make a difference. It is not about the money. I think that is a foolish way to live your life and very small-minded. If you aren't doing what you are passionate about you might as well lie down on the railroad tracks, because what is the point.BiglawAssociate wrote:Brianic - If you want a career in politics, why are you bothering going to law school? Are you from a rich white background? If not, you're likely f*cked anyway. I wouldn't go to law school unless your intent was to network with rich people.
This is what I don't get about poors - going to school doesn't get you sh*t in life for the most part, especially not a politics career.
Money allows me to do whatever the f*ck I want, when I want, including not having a standard office job. I'm talking about f*ck you money though (not biglaw money). So at least 10-20mm in the bank earning interest.
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brianiac wrote:I know a lot about this, Detroit has fallen because of the auto workers unions which made American manufacturers less competitive against foreign manufacturers. The recent recalls have not helped. It's a variation on the resource curse, Detroit is too heavily based on auto manufacturing. I'm sorry, but that's the reality.Jim Jones wrote:it would certainly benefit michigan to have detroit not be a toilet, but when exactly did detroit collapse?NYSprague wrote:I think you guys are discounting the effect of the complete collapse of Detroit on Michigan. It was the home of some of the largest corporations in America for decades. It had to be a hiring center for Michigan grads before the c ollapse. I know there was a ton of restructuring work during the bankruptcies.
No other school has had a complete collapse of a major city.
2009 was probably the death knell. But it started earlier, 2003?
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I feel for you, really I do, but I'm not going to follow your life choices. You go off and make your money, I do hope that gives your life meaning.BiglawAssociate wrote:And going to law school does what for you? You aren't going to make it in politics without money.brianiac wrote:Politics is my passion and calling. I know I can make a difference. It is not about the money. I think that is a foolish way to live your life and very small-minded. If you aren't doing what you are passionate about you might as well lie down on the railroad tracks, because what is the point.BiglawAssociate wrote:Brianic - If you want a career in politics, why are you bothering going to law school? Are you from a rich white background? If not, you're likely f*cked anyway. I wouldn't go to law school unless your intent was to network with rich people.
This is what I don't get about poors - going to school doesn't get you sh*t in life for the most part, especially not a politics career.
Money allows me to do whatever the f*ck I want, when I want, including not having a standard office job.
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I married into it, but I want to make my own f*ck you money by starting my own business. Working for other people is ttterrible. You can never be rich as a lawyer - you're just picking off scraps from finance and bankers.brianiac wrote:I feel for you, really I do, but I'm not going to follow your life choices. You go off and make your money, I do hope that gives your life meaning.BiglawAssociate wrote:And going to law school does what for you? You aren't going to make it in politics without money.brianiac wrote:Politics is my passion and calling. I know I can make a difference. It is not about the money. I think that is a foolish way to live your life and very small-minded. If you aren't doing what you are passionate about you might as well lie down on the railroad tracks, because what is the point.BiglawAssociate wrote:Brianic - If you want a career in politics, why are you bothering going to law school? Are you from a rich white background? If not, you're likely f*cked anyway. I wouldn't go to law school unless your intent was to network with rich people.
This is what I don't get about poors - going to school doesn't get you sh*t in life for the most part, especially not a politics career.
Money allows me to do whatever the f*ck I want, when I want, including not having a standard office job.
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Damn, finding a super rich wife would make life so much easier
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