Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

(Rankings, Profiles, Tuition, Student Life, . . . )

Which one?

Levy
14
36%
Darrow
15
38%
Mordecai
0
No votes
Chicago ($105)
3
8%
Stanford
7
18%
 
Total votes: 39

geebies
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:07 pm

Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

Postby geebies » Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:47 pm

Hi! I'm hoping for some feedback on a happy but agonizing dilemma.

Currently debating between:
-Darrow w/stipend (minimal COA)
-Levy (~69k COA)
-Mordecai (~69k COA)
-Chicago (~137k COA w/$105k merit aid - not sure if it's worth trying to negotiate)
-Stanford (don't know about need-based aid yet, but assuming sticker for now)

Still waiting to hear about:
-RTK
-aid from CLS, NU, Berkeley
-Harvard
-Yale

If I don't take the Darrow, I'll be financing with loans. I have minimal savings and no parental support to speak of, but I can mooch off my significant other for living expenses to some extent. My family is in the Midwest and I would love to move closer to them, but I'm worried doing so will limit clerkship opportunities/odds of eventually returning to the East Coast/PI job prospects. I am interested in a very niche type of PI litigation, and the organizations that do it are concentrated in NY and DC.

I'm somewhat debt averse and would rather forgo law school altogether than take on a debt servicing biglaw job. I hear great things about LRAP at HYS, but I get nauseous when I think about turning down a perfectly respectable full ride for prestige reasons. I guess my real question is, which of these options will maximize my ability to maneuver into an admittedly unicorn PI job? Are the job prospects coming out of a place like Stanford really so much better that they'll afford more flexibility than I'd have with a free degree from Penn/Michigan/Duke? Does the calculus change at all if I get a RTK? If I get into Yale? Any advice appreciated!

User avatar
jbagelboy
Posts: 9646
Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:57 pm

Re: Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

Postby jbagelboy » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:11 pm

I voted for the Levi, but the Darrow is also a great option here. It would be one of the two for me. I think you can safely cancel Chicago right now unless they raise their scholarship to bring total COA to about $100K. Similarly, Columbia would have to offer more than a Butler to justify it.

What would change this? RTK would be your best offer on the table. A large aid grant from Stanford or Yale that brings their COA down could also win out (although sticker is ridiculous, and the job prospects are not "really so much better" from these other great programs). Yale's LRAP is somewhat unique, but other then that most of the LRAPs are very similar among the top set of schools.

Congratulations on all the full rides!

User avatar
Skool
Posts: 1028
Joined: Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:26 pm

Re: Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

Postby Skool » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:21 pm

I would do Levy because Philly is a really great PI city and you'll be able to network year round with professors who are nationally known in the PI/impact litigation field, and there are at least two really awesome impact litigation cases going on in the city that I know of right now.

If the RTK is on the table, I would take it. There's no better city to learn to be an impact litigator in. NYU simply has the best clinics/externships around. Bryan Stevenson? Connections with SDNY/EDNY Civil AND Federal Defenders? You can't go wrong there. NYU's training is top notch for PI litigation.

I think when money/prestige are so close, it really comes down to the minutae of the programs/cities.

abl
Posts: 734
Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:07 pm

Re: Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

Postby abl » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:42 pm

For unicorn + lrap + clerkships + geographic flexibility, Stanford (or Yale if you get in) is TCR.

--PI litigator and former fed clerk several years out of law school

User avatar
Mack.Hambleton
Posts: 5417
Joined: Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:09 am

Re: Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:08 pm

1. are you anticipating significant need based aid at HYS?

If not, I would say Levy/Darrow, based on whether you weigh the employment boost from penn more or the 10k/yr from uofm.

I would forget about Duke and Chicago unless Chicago increases a good bit.

User avatar
eed333
Posts: 55
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:01 pm

Re: Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

Postby eed333 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:15 pm

abl wrote:For unicorn + lrap + clerkships + geographic flexibility, Stanford (or Yale if you get in) is TCR.

--PI litigator and former fed clerk several years out of law school


unicorn?

User avatar
malleus discentium
Posts: 878
Joined: Sun May 26, 2013 2:30 am

Re: Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

Postby malleus discentium » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:24 pm

aad993 wrote:
abl wrote:For unicorn + lrap + clerkships + geographic flexibility, Stanford (or Yale if you get in) is TCR.

--PI litigator and former fed clerk several years out of law school


unicorn?

geebies wrote:If I don't take the Darrow, I'll be financing with loans. I have minimal savings and no parental support to speak of, but I can mooch off my significant other for living expenses to some extent. My family is in the Midwest and I would love to move closer to them, but I'm worried doing so will limit clerkship opportunities/odds of eventually returning to the East Coast/PI job prospects. I am interested in a very niche type of PI litigation, and the organizations that do it are concentrated in NY and DC.

User avatar
eed333
Posts: 55
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:01 pm

Re: Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

Postby eed333 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:29 pm

malleus discentium wrote:
aad993 wrote:
abl wrote:For unicorn + lrap + clerkships + geographic flexibility, Stanford (or Yale if you get in) is TCR.

--PI litigator and former fed clerk several years out of law school


unicorn?

geebies wrote:If I don't take the Darrow, I'll be financing with loans. I have minimal savings and no parental support to speak of, but I can mooch off my significant other for living expenses to some extent. My family is in the Midwest and I would love to move closer to them, but I'm worried doing so will limit clerkship opportunities/odds of eventually returning to the East Coast/PI job prospects. I am interested in a very niche type of PI litigation, and the organizations that do it are concentrated in NY and DC.


interesting.

geebies
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:07 pm

Re: Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

Postby geebies » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:49 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:1. are you anticipating significant need based aid at HYS?



I'm not expecting much. I'm under 26, my parents make low six figures, and they're nearing retirement so they have quite a bit saved up. (They will be totally dumbfounded if I turn down a full ride, fwiw). But who knows? Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

User avatar
cc78
Posts: 574
Joined: Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:00 pm

Re: Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

Postby cc78 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:10 pm

geebies wrote:
Mack.Hambleton wrote:1. are you anticipating significant need based aid at HYS?



I'm not expecting much. I'm under 26, my parents make low six figures, and they're nearing retirement so they have quite a bit saved up. (They will be totally dumbfounded if I turn down a full ride, fwiw). But who knows? Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.


Yup this sounds like trouble city from the YHS need based perspective. I still think Yale if you get it should be in the running even with a small amount of aid. Yale's COAP (LRAP) is very generous and really distinguishes itself from Harvard and Stanford once you get above $50k/year in salary.

abl
Posts: 734
Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:07 pm

Re: Levy/Darrow/Mordecai/Chicago($$)/Stanford

Postby abl » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:30 pm

cc78 wrote:
geebies wrote:
Mack.Hambleton wrote:1. are you anticipating significant need based aid at HYS?



I'm not expecting much. I'm under 26, my parents make low six figures, and they're nearing retirement so they have quite a bit saved up. (They will be totally dumbfounded if I turn down a full ride, fwiw). But who knows? Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.


Yup this sounds like trouble city from the YHS need based perspective. I still think Yale if you get it should be in the running even with a small amount of aid. Yale's COAP (LRAP) is very generous and really distinguishes itself from Harvard and Stanford once you get above $50k/year in salary.


Say more re COAP. I thought Stanford's was really very similarly generous (with the biggest difference being whether legal fellowships qualify or not--yes for YLS, no for SLS).




Return to “Choosing a Law School”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Giro423 and 2 guests