Best school?

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Best school for my options?

George Washington
11
9%
William and Mary
8
6%
Georgetown
44
34%
Other (please explain)
65
51%
 
Total votes: 128

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Re: Best school?

Postby AReasonableMan » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:26 pm

you'll be the only aspiring politician out of a mediocre law school in DC pursuing big law or fed as a backup. idk why nobody else does this.

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Re: Best school?

Postby NonTradLawHopeful » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:28 pm

Jim Jones wrote:
NonTradLawHopeful wrote:
brianiac wrote:I think I'll get into GW because I have decent numbers, not going to share them but I do have a GPA that is above their median and I was in the top 20% on the LSAT.


So you got a 160, which for a lot of people not on TLS is a good score. However, the median at GW is a 167, putting you far below that. Know your audience: the average reported LSAT score on this site is a 172.

A question that hasn't been asked yet: why do you want to be a politician? To be honest, your stubborn refusal for reasonable advice on this thread so far is the exact reason why I cannot stand politics in this country.

This has been said before, but OP seemed to have missed it: politicians didn't go to law school for the sake of becoming a politician; they went to law school, became a lawyer, and then went into politics.

And again, why can't you take a gap year? Being a K-JD will not make you at all marketable for a political campaign. What experience will you be able to tout during your election? Grow up, get a job where you can grow your leadership skills for a year or two, re-take the LSAT, and go to a school that is worthy of your ~3.7x GPA.

What state do you live in? Are your state politicians even full time employees? In many states, they are part time.

As many others have said, this plan is not well thought out at all.


look, op doesnt have to explain himself to you. hes got reasons for not being able to retake and not being able to take a gap year. so what if he goes to a school that isnt prestigious by tls standards, im sure he will be fine and one day be a great politician. he might have a little bit more debt, but im sure he will be fine.

I just came across this quote on the internet and i think its fitting here:

"Autonomy as a part of the power process may not be necessary for every individual. But most people need a greater or lesser degree of autonomy in working toward their goals. Their efforts must be undertaken on their own initiative and must be under their own direction and control. Yet most people do not have to exert this initiative, direction and control as single individuals. It is usually enough to act as a member of a SMALL group. Thus if half a dozen people discuss a goal among themselves and make a successful joint effort to attain that goal, their need for the power process will be served. But if they work under rigid orders handed down from above that leave them no room for autonomous decision and initiative, then their need for the power process will not be served. The same is true when decisions are made on a collective bases if the group making the collective decision is so large that the role of each individual is insignificant."

remember, you are an individual op.


You're right, he doesn't have to answer any of our questions. He he's the one who started the thread asking for advice. In order to give the best advice, it is helpful to know more about OP than he has given so far. If it is a valid reason for why he "can't" take a gap year, then maybe people would stop suggesting it. However, 99% of the time when people say they "can't" take a gap year, they really can and just don't want to, even though working for one or two years and increasing his LSAT would set him up far better, as in getting into a T14 and having experience to run off of in his first campaign.

But you're right, it is his choice. Just trying to give candid advice, and not necessarily what he wants to hear, which is obviously what he is looking for.

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Re: Best school?

Postby 052220152 » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:36 pm

good, now that weve established its a non issue we can move on, thanks

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Re: Best school?

Postby Gray » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:47 pm

Jim Jones wrote:good, now that weve established its a non issue we can move on, thanks

lolol A+ trolling.

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Re: Best school?

Postby Bust3453 » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:48 pm

OP since you're republican, you have to decline any scholarship offers regardless of where you decide to attend. Your future constituents hate handouts, and you can't afford to alienate the conservative part of your voting bloc.

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Re: Best school?

Postby romothesavior » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:04 pm

Getting elected to office is about knowing your local precinct committee people, your local reps, the local party chair. It's about being intimately involved in local politics, having a strong local brand, and knowing the right people.

But no no, you should totally drop big bucks to go to American or GW so you can rub elbows with senators and stuff.

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Re: Best school?

Postby BVest » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:20 pm

Harvard or Flagship. Nothing else helps. If you want DC experience, then go get it, but don't for a second think that going to school in DC will be at all helpful.

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Re: Best school?

Postby Winter is Coming » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:21 pm

OP saying he doesn't "believe" in debt forgiveness is the most undercover ridiculous part of this thread.

ETA: Just do Yale, bro.

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Re: Best school?

Postby InTheHouse » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:23 pm

brianiac wrote:I am aware that American is a Tier 2, but that doesn't make it a dumpster fire. Take off your prestige blinders. American will be cheaper for me AND the students won't be as qualified or intelligent as they will be in George Washington. Therefore, it would seem that American is the better choice if I want to excel and transfer. On the other hand, George Washington is more of an insurance policy. I would not need to do amazing as I would in American, because of the George Washington brand name. I'm thinking about the long-term here.


This sounds like a good plan. I'd take American over GW though. GW can still be a decent option for aspiring lawyers under the right circumstances so you'll have more competition there. Someone would have to be absolutely braindead to go to AU, so I imagine you'd run into less competition there. Good luck. Follow your dreams!

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Re: Best school?

Postby romothesavior » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:27 pm

Winter is Coming wrote:OP saying he doesn't "believe" in debt forgiveness is the most undercover ridiculous part of this thread.

ETA: Just do Yale, bro.

There was a 0% chance OP wasn't a true believer shitcon.

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Re: Best school?

Postby yeslekkkk » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:38 pm

I don't think being in DC for law school really matters for going into politics. I thinking getting a strong education and networking with local parties is probably more important.

Honestly, the best thing you could do is go to the very best law school that you can... probably at least T-14.

Also, be prepared to be a lawyer and not just a politician. Maybe, one day, you can be both.

Going to school in DC isn't going to get you there. I think going to another school can still put you on that path.

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Re: Best school?

Postby jingosaur » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:38 pm

OP, if this is your desired path, please go to your state flagship and use the three years to network your ass off in your state. I hope that you realize how idiotic it is to want to be in DC to build a network to get a a job that is almost impossible to get and you're not even planning on getting that job for several years.

Also, your reasoning for going to law school falls along the same logical lines as this argument:

Hey guys, I really want to become a professional musician and I noticed that a lot of my favorite artists have drug addictions so I want your input on which drug I should become addicted to. Don't consider cost; I want to be addicted to the drug that will give me the best chance of being a star. Please don't tell me to practice music to become a better musician. I have already decided that I'm going to become a professional musician via a massive drug addiction.

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Re: Best school?

Postby InTheHouse » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:50 pm

jingosaur wrote:OP, if this is your desired path, please go to your state flagship and use the three years to network your ass off in your state. I hope that you realize how idiotic it is to want to be in DC to build a network to get a a job that is almost impossible to get and you're not even planning on getting that job for several years.

Also, your reasoning for going to law school falls along the same logical lines as this argument:

Hey guys, I really want to become a professional musician and I noticed that a lot of my favorite artists have drug addictions so I want your input on which drug I should become addicted to. Don't consider cost; I want to be addicted to the drug that will give me the best chance of being a star. Please don't tell me to practice music to become a better musician. I have already decided that I'm going to become a professional musician via a massive drug addiction.


post hoc ergo propter hoc counts as a reasoning for most people. Wouldn't get my hopes up.

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Re: Best school?

Postby Mullens » Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:17 pm

All of the listed options are pretty terrible. I'm gonna echo the advice that, if you decide to go anywhere, it should be your state flagship school.

Do you have any experience working in Republican politics or studying the voting patterns of Republican voters? Many Republican voters are anti-Washington and it would probably hurt you to go to school in DC. That's beyond what everyone else is saying about how you need to make local connections and cannot just waltz into an elected office.

Your plan is bold, and objectively terrible, but if you're gonna do it, at least give yourself some chance.

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Re: Best school?

Postby Gray » Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:02 pm

Has no one noticed that the Unabomber manifesto was quoted and the only response was mild agreement?

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Re: Best school?

Postby TheProdigal » Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:13 pm

brianiac wrote:What is half baked about it? This is what politicians do all the time. Are you in politics? Yes, I mean that I want to run for office. My dream is to be a Senator, yes I know that is highly unlikely. I don't want to foreclose that path though. Realistically, I want to return to my home state after law school, start my own practice, and begin laying the groundwork for a run for the State Senate. And after that, a run for the House. That's why I'm only looking at schools that give me access to D.C. I plan to return to D.C. one day and want my network up and running. Back to my choices, which would be the best for network building in D.C.? George Washington because of the large alumni base and name brand?


Yes, politicians finish school, start a business and run for office. But this isn't even the Reader's Digest version of how that plays out. Its building connections, a potential constituency, and a donor base. If you go to DC for three years you're cutting yourself off from those opportunities. For state level house or senate, prestige isn't going to help. In fact, it can hurt. Not just stereotypical anti-elitist sentiment, but you're going to be dealing with a donor and voting base that is local. People who went to the state flagship (and also-ran). If their choice is between you and a graduate from their alma mater, all else being equal, who are they going with? Politics are personal.

Without knowing your state, I'm a bit surprised by your initial plan of running for State Senate. You're looking at a far greater monetary investment for such a campaign. Have you looked at campaign contributions, typical cost of campaign, and the media markets you're thinking about? No matter how dedicated or "hard working" you think you are, that isn't going to mean a damn when you've got 200k in student loan debt, an 80k annual income from solo practice, and are up against a middle-aged businessman with 2 million in the bank. Worse, as a newly-minted JD with a solo practice, you aren't going to be working for the established donor class you need to build ties with -- they already have lawyers.

Network building in DC isn't going to help you win local elections. Building from the top down is going to be a disaster. Go to your state flagship, intern in city/county/state government during the year, work at a firm with lobbying interests during the summer. Find a state politician to mentor you. Being a state-level legislative aide will pay far greater dividends in building your network. I understand that DC is your goal, but you need to tend to your base first. Something else to consider: is your state legislature full-time, or part-time, and how much does it pay? Are you going to be able service GW debt on it? A part-time legislature trying to run a solo practice is going to be in for some trouble. Firms can do it a bit better because they like the prestige and have associates who can pick up your slack when session is going on.

And believe me, I'd tear you apart in a primary if you're defaulting or in deferment on your student loans. Try running as a fiscal conservative with that around your neck. We'd pile on some elitist carpetbagger accusations for leaving the state for a few years, too. And no real work experience? Think about how that looks to the activist base of the Republican party.

Consider how to accomplish your next step, getting into the State House (or Senate, whatever), not something that might help fifteen years down the road. It won't mean a damn if it prevents you from that first step.

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Re: Best school?

Postby MCFC » Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:26 pm

InTheHouse wrote:If boobs like Yoho, Gohmert, Angle, (Christine) O'Donnell can get nominated, so can you. Get rich or get on wingnut radio/TV. Those are probably better bets to get where you want to go.

I realize this wasn't the point, but you realize Gohmert has a JD? Dude was a judge for 10 years.

Which probably supports the strong regional point/DA angle again.

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Re: Best school?

Postby rdawkins28 » Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:36 pm

As I stated previously, it probably doesn't really matter where you go to school if you're going solo anyway. Just keep the debt down, though that doesn't seem to be an issue.

The more important thing is how you network when you've settled into the county of your choice. Don't know about anywhere else, but here in Texas, you either have to belong to the Democratic party (mostly big downtown areas) or the Republican party every else. It's important to network there and do all the little lunches and little gatherings with people who are older than dirt.

Then whichever party you belong to, be ready to be so extreme that you're pretty much considered an idiot by anyone with common sense. For example, a Republican here would have to have (or pretend to have) insane Tea Party leanings (i.e. whiter than white and the bible is right). A Democrat here would have (to pretend) to be a crazy hippie socialist (i.e. I'm entitled to everything).

On that note, if you can go to law school where you will most likely will be running for office (or close enough), you can start the networking process earlier. Gives you 3 years head start. And since money seems to be no issue, you're better off using that money to buy entry to all these dinners that the party of your choice gives. You wouldn't believe how buying a $10,000.00 table at a fundraiser (in a not too big town) will raise your profile.

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Re: Best school?

Postby 052220152 » Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:43 pm

agreed. op, it doesn't matter wherever you go if you plan to go solo, just make sure that you network hard, and that you are networking properly.

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Re: Best school?

Postby BVest » Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:49 pm

InTheHouse wrote:You sounds like one? Also, what about the recent history suggests that education and relevant experience matter in Republican primaries anyway? If boobs like Yoho, Gohmert, Angle, (Christine) O'Donnell can get nominated, so can you. Get rich or get on wingnut radio/TV. Those are probably better bets to get where you want to go.


In OP's defense, even if he wants to be a boob, Yoho has a DVM and Gohmert has a JD and is a former judge trial and appellate. Meanwhile Angle and O'Donnell lost.

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Re: Best school?

Postby Winston1984 » Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:05 am

Gray wrote:Has no one noticed that the Unabomber manifesto was quoted and the only response was mild agreement?

lolol. I thought that looked familiar.

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Re: Best school?

Postby bjsesq » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:27 am

brianiac wrote:Okay. Wow. I don't know what I did to upset you, but I think my request for information was reasonable. Going to the 20th best law school in the country, in Washington D.C, a place where I want to make political connections, is not "eating dogshit". I think this says more about you than it does about me.

You upset me by being a retard. You can make amends by not being a retard anymore. If there is any confusion about what you need to do, please place it in an omnibus post that attaches a TLS funding mechanism as pork. And then get rekt, nerd.

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Re: Best school?

Postby IsThisForReal » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:38 am

BVest wrote:
InTheHouse wrote:You sounds like one? Also, what about the recent history suggests that education and relevant experience matter in Republican primaries anyway? If boobs like Yoho, Gohmert, Angle, (Christine) O'Donnell can get nominated, so can you. Get rich or get on wingnut radio/TV. Those are probably better bets to get where you want to go.


In OP's defense, even if he wants to be a boob, Yoho has a DVM and Gohmert has a JD and is a former judge trial and appellate. Meanwhile Angle and O'Donnell lost.

Yoho also has a huge constituent base that developed relationships with him over decades. The man is really great person and everyone in this area knows it. Just going to DC and networking won't get you what he has.

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Re: Best school?

Postby Big Dog » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:03 am

in state Uni should be your first choice. As Tip O'Neill once said, "All politics is local."

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Re: Best school?

Postby romothesavior » Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:03 am

IsThisForReal wrote:
BVest wrote:
InTheHouse wrote:You sounds like one? Also, what about the recent history suggests that education and relevant experience matter in Republican primaries anyway? If boobs like Yoho, Gohmert, Angle, (Christine) O'Donnell can get nominated, so can you. Get rich or get on wingnut radio/TV. Those are probably better bets to get where you want to go.


In OP's defense, even if he wants to be a boob, Yoho has a DVM and Gohmert has a JD and is a former judge trial and appellate. Meanwhile Angle and O'Donnell lost.

Yoho also has a huge constituent base that developed relationships with him over decades. The man is really great person and everyone in this area knows it. Just going to DC and networking won't get you what he has.

Yeah I mean aside from being opposed to gay people, in favor of disenfranchising millions of people (myself and most TLSers included), and being a certifiable whack job, stand up guy.




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