UVA/Michigan/NYU/Berkeley Forum

slurpy · Post by **slurpy** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:20 pm

Will be financing primarily with loans.

COA:
Michigan - $126,030 (90k total scholarship)
UVA - $137,469 (90k total scholarship)
Berkeley - $231,522 (sticker)
NYU - $251,116 (sticker)

Notes - Planning to apply for Berkeley matching scholarship. Applied for Root Tilden Kern from NYU, but assuming sticker for both schools right now.

I'm from Hawaii. I want to end up working in public interest on the west coast. LOVED Berkeley when I visited, but I am not sure it's worth the extra cost. Did my undergrad in New York City and wouldn't mind going back. Visiting the other two schools is not really feasible from Hawaii, which makes it more difficult. Low 170s LSAT, 3.7x GPA. Took the LSAT once.

Thanks in advance for any help!

TheNextAmendment · Post by **TheNextAmendment** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:34 pm

This is easy: NYU is 6th, UVA is 8th, Berkeley is 9th and UMich is 10th. So, its a close one, but NYU wins by 2.

In all seriousness, UMich at that COA is probably most fitting of your goals. However, I strongly urge you to press NYU for scholarship money. You likely won't get the RTK, but with 170+ and 3.7 you are a serious contender for at least some $. Good luck. You are in a great position for success.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:35 pm

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Winston1984 · Post by **Winston1984** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:38 pm

Thread is premature. I highly doubt you get no money from Berk or NYU.

TheNextAmendment · Post by **TheNextAmendment** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:39 pm

gamerish wrote:Did you not get any money from NYU or are you just waiting for your package?

As it stands, NYU has the best ins into PI among your choices and their LRAP is supposed to be pretty good but the idea of sticker debt makes me nauseous. Given those choices, I'd take UVA, it's worth the extra ~10k over Michigan imo.

UVA + 10k > UMich for west coast PI? Explain.

ballcaps · Post by **ballcaps** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:40 pm

slurpy wrote:Will be financing primarily with loans.

COA:
Michigan - $126,030 (90k total scholarship)
UVA - $137,469 (90k total scholarship)
Berkeley - $231,522 (sticker)
NYU - $251,116 (sticker)

Notes - Planning to apply for Berkeley matching scholarship. Applied for Root Tilden Kern from NYU, but assuming sticker for both schools right now.

I'm from Hawaii. I want to end up working in public interest on the west coast. LOVED Berkeley when I visited, but I am not sure it's worth the extra cost. Did my undergrad in New York City and wouldn't mind going back. Visiting the other two schools is not really feasible from Hawaii, which makes it more difficult. Low 170s LSAT, 3.7x GPA. Took the LSAT once.

Thanks in advance for any help!

west coast PI reeks of berkeley, but out-of-state sticker is plain bananas.

i agree: press NYU big-time for money, and really harp on your PI. i bet they'll budge, even if you don't get RTK.

tbh these seem like modest outcomes given low 170s + 3.7x + current admissions climate.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:48 pm

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03152016 · Post by **03152016** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:49 pm

i'm at nyu and can tell you pi is taken very seriously here (in fact, just finished pilc fair this afternoon)
i'd start negotiating w/ berk and nyu, leverage your mich and uva offers if possible
where are you in the fin aid process? have you gotten your initial award letter?

thatsnotmyname · Post by **thatsnotmyname** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:01 pm

ballcaps wrote:
slurpy wrote:Will be financing primarily with loans.

COA:
Michigan - $126,030 (90k total scholarship)
UVA - $137,469 (90k total scholarship)
Berkeley - $231,522 (sticker)
NYU - $251,116 (sticker)

Notes - Planning to apply for Berkeley matching scholarship. Applied for Root Tilden Kern from NYU, but assuming sticker for both schools right now.

I'm from Hawaii. I want to end up working in public interest on the west coast. LOVED Berkeley when I visited, but I am not sure it's worth the extra cost. Did my undergrad in New York City and wouldn't mind going back. Visiting the other two schools is not really feasible from Hawaii, which makes it more difficult. Low 170s LSAT, 3.7x GPA. Took the LSAT once.

Thanks in advance for any help!

west coast PI reeks of berkeley, but out-of-state sticker is plain bananas.

i agree: press NYU big-time for money, and really harp on your PI. i bet they'll budge, even if you don't get RTK.

tbh these seem like modest outcomes given low 170s + 3.7x + current admissions climate.

I think the UVA and Mich schollies seems in line with what most candidates with low 170s and 3.7X GPA have been offered so far on LSN. Seems like Mich and UVA are offering 75-90K for the candidates that they are offering scholarships to with those numbers.

slurpy · Post by **slurpy** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:51 pm

Brut wrote:i'm at nyu and can tell you pi is taken very seriously here (in fact, just finished pilc fair this afternoon)
i'd start negotiating w/ berk and nyu, leverage your mich and uva offers if possible
where are you in the fin aid process? have you gotten your initial award letter?

Thanks for the NYU perspective. I haven't gotten initial award letters from Berkeley or NYU. My understanding is that if you apply for RTK, NYU waits until you're turned down for that (in March) to make a scholarship offer.

I haven't applied for Berk's matching scholarship program yet, because I wanted to wait until I had more offers in hand from the other schools on their matching list to which I've been accepted (Duke and Cornell).

slurpy · Post by **slurpy** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:53 pm

west coast PI reeks of berkeley, but out-of-state sticker is plain bananas.

i agree: press NYU big-time for money, and really harp on your PI. i bet they'll budge, even if you don't get RTK.

tbh these seem like modest outcomes given low 170s + 3.7x + current admissions climate.

I think the UVA and Mich schollies seems in line with what most candidates with low 170s and 3.7X GPA have been offered so far on LSN. Seems like Mich and UVA are offering 75-90K for the candidates that they are offering scholarships to with those numbers.

Yeah, based on the LSN profiles with similar numbers, 90k from Mich and UVA is above the median grant offered.

slurpy · Post by **slurpy** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:20 pm

Thanks for the help, all!

cron1834 · Post by **cron1834** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:19 pm

West coast PI = Berk, assuming they match one of your larger scholarships. Don't overthink.

TheNextAmendment · Post by **TheNextAmendment** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:06 pm

cron1834 wrote:West coast PI = Berk, assuming they match one of your larger scholarships. Don't overthink.

No..

thatsnotmyname · Post by **thatsnotmyname** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:15 pm

TheNextAmendment wrote:
cron1834 wrote:West coast PI = Berk, assuming they match one of your larger scholarships. Don't overthink.
No..

You would take NYU for West Coast PI over Berkeley? Based on other opinions I've heard on this board most of NYU's T6 advantage over the T10 is negated when you get out of NYC. I would imagine that NYU doesn't really offer many advantages over Berkeley on the West Coast. Thoughts?

03152016 · Post by **03152016** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:19 pm

thatsnotmyname wrote:Based on other opinions I've heard on this board most of NYU's T6 advantage over the T10 is negated when you get out of NYC.

lol what

03152016 · Post by **03152016** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:25 pm

it'd be totally reasonable for a penn grad to be more competitive for philly, for example
but if you honestly think boalt and duke are on an even playing field with nyu in a non-local market, you're a retard

thatsnotmyname · Post by **thatsnotmyname** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:33 pm

Brut wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:Based on other opinions I've heard on this board most of NYU's T6 advantage over the T10 is negated when you get out of NYC.
lol what

Thanks for the constructive reply.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=241427

That was a thread specific to DC and biglaw, but there were a few posters that explicitly stated or implied that NYU loses a lot of the edge it has over the lower T14 when seeking employment outside of NYC. It may be different for West Coast and PI than for DC and biglaw though, do you have thoughts you would like to share?

03152016 · Post by **03152016** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:37 pm

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Brut wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:Based on other opinions I've heard on this board most of NYU's T6 advantage over the T10 is negated when you get out of NYC.
lol what
Thanks for the constructive reply.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=241427

That was a thread specific to DC and biglaw, but there were a few posters that explicitly stated or implied that NYU loses a lot of the edge it has over the lower T14 when seeking employment outside of NYC. It may be different for West Coast and PI than for DC and biglaw though, do you have thoughts you would like to share?

so you quoted the non-substantive post
and then linked to a thread that has one single post supporting your assertion

wow how could i have been so wrong you're definitely not a retard

03152016 · Post by **03152016** » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:40 pm

hey i found a thread with a single post from a notorious anti-nyu shill

NYU = MICH AMIRITE

-not a retard

thatsnotmyname · Post by **thatsnotmyname** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:02 am

Brut wrote:hey i found a thread with a single post from a notorious anti-nyu shill

NYU = MICH AMIRITE

-not a retard

Thanks for your insights, they're very much appreciated. How much you value you contribute to these forums is apparent.

03152016 · Post by **03152016** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:06 am

uh is this some attempt to teach us the meaning of irony

thatsnotmyname · Post by **thatsnotmyname** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:23 am

Brut wrote:uh is this some attempt to teach us the meaning of irony

No, not at all. Please explain. I find myself continually seeking enlightenment from you. This has been a great conversation.

03152016 · Post by **03152016** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 12:25 am

this is great
you're doing my work for me

TheNextAmendment · Post by **TheNextAmendment** » Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:04 am

thatsnotmyname wrote:
TheNextAmendment wrote:
cron1834 wrote:West coast PI = Berk, assuming they match one of your larger scholarships. Don't overthink.
No..
You would take NYU for West Coast PI over Berkeley? Based on other opinions I've heard on this board most of NYU's T6 advantage over the T10 is negated when you get out of NYC. I would imagine that NYU doesn't really offer many advantages over Berkeley on the West Coast. Thoughts?

I should've elaborated: I think it's fair to say that NYU and Berk are on equal footing when it comes to west coast PI. Therefore, if OP gets more $ at Berk I would probably go there because there are a lot of ancillary benefits of going to school in your target region. I simply disagreed with you that it was an easy decision (i.e. not something to overthink).

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