ABA 509 Matriculant Data on All Schools

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Keith Lee
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ABA 509 Matriculant Data on All Schools

Postby Keith Lee » Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:57 pm

FYI - I put together the matriculant data for all law schools that was released by the ABA in their 509 reports this past week.

You can see it here:

http://associatesmind.com/2014/12/17/th ... d-schools/

&

http://associatesmind.com/2014/12/19/th ... d-schools/

Cheers

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Re: ABA 509 Matriculant Data on All Schools

Postby thatsnotmyname » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:46 pm

Thanks for compiling and sharing the data, very interesting. GW as you pointed out had the second largest percentage increase in enrollment b/w 2011 and 2014 besides Wyoming. Wyoming's large percentage increase in enrollment is easy to explain given the very small class size (it moved from 69 matriculants in 2011 to 85 in 2014). GW's is less easy to explain given their large class size and the erratic fluctuation in their year over year class sizes between 2011 and 2014. But does anyone know what could cause GW's class size to move from a low of 396 in 2012 and then jump to 539 in 2014, especially given the fact that GW had approximately 480 matriculants in both 2011 and 2013? Is GW's target class size 480 and they just under-enrolled and over-enrolled in 2012 and 2014, respectively?

A similar question could also be posed for WUSTL.

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Re: ABA 509 Matriculant Data on All Schools

Postby TheNextAmendment » Tue Dec 30, 2014 1:03 pm

thatsnotmyname wrote:Thanks for compiling and sharing the data, very interesting. GW as you pointed out had the second largest percentage increase in enrollment b/w 2011 and 2014 besides Wyoming. Wyoming's large percentage increase in enrollment is easy to explain given the very small class size (it moved from 69 matriculants in 2011 to 85 in 2014). GW's is less easy to explain given their large class size and the erratic fluctuation in their year over year class sizes between 2011 and 2014. But does anyone know what could cause GW's class size to move from a low of 396 in 2012 and then jump to 539 in 2014, especially given the fact that GW had approximately 480 matriculants in both 2011 and 2013? Is GW's target class size 480 and they just under-enrolled and over-enrolled in 2012 and 2014, respectively?


The Dean in 2012 tried to lower the class size to increase GW's numbers and selectivity. Therefore, cuts had to be made at the law school. The professors were pissed and ""outted"" the Dean. The next year the class size jumped up to around 480 and this year it jumped up to 539 to get back to where the class was in 2011. GW also accepted more transfers this year: 97 I believe (too lazy to look at 509). Assuming GW continues to take around 100 transfers (which is likely), over 600 students will be participating at GW's OCI this year....yeah...

The better question is: how do professors and administrators at GW sleep at night?

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Re: ABA 509 Matriculant Data on All Schools

Postby Keith Lee » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:22 pm

thatsnotmyname wrote:Thanks for compiling and sharing the data, very interesting. GW as you pointed out had the second largest percentage increase in enrollment b/w 2011 and 2014 besides Wyoming. Wyoming's large percentage increase in enrollment is easy to explain given the very small class size (it moved from 69 matriculants in 2011 to 85 in 2014). GW's is less easy to explain given their large class size and the erratic fluctuation in their year over year class sizes between 2011 and 2014. But does anyone know what could cause GW's class size to move from a low of 396 in 2012 and then jump to 539 in 2014, especially given the fact that GW had approximately 480 matriculants in both 2011 and 2013? Is GW's target class size 480 and they just under-enrolled and over-enrolled in 2012 and 2014, respectively?

A similar question could also be posed for WUSTL.


No worries.

I reached out to the deans with the highest matriculant increases/decreases. I spoke with Dean Bridgeman at Wyoming and Dean Tacha at Pepperdine but Dean Morant at GW refused to speak with me through their PR person. The deans at the schools with the highest declines never even responded. No surprise there.

Should have an article on the deans' responses at associatesmind or abovethelaw in the next week or so.

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Re: ABA 509 Matriculant Data on All Schools

Postby TheNextAmendment » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:31 pm

Keith Lee wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:Thanks for compiling and sharing the data, very interesting. GW as you pointed out had the second largest percentage increase in enrollment b/w 2011 and 2014 besides Wyoming. Wyoming's large percentage increase in enrollment is easy to explain given the very small class size (it moved from 69 matriculants in 2011 to 85 in 2014). GW's is less easy to explain given their large class size and the erratic fluctuation in their year over year class sizes between 2011 and 2014. But does anyone know what could cause GW's class size to move from a low of 396 in 2012 and then jump to 539 in 2014, especially given the fact that GW had approximately 480 matriculants in both 2011 and 2013? Is GW's target class size 480 and they just under-enrolled and over-enrolled in 2012 and 2014, respectively?

A similar question could also be posed for WUSTL.


No worries.

I reached out to the deans with the highest matriculant increases/decreases. I spoke with Dean Bridgeman at Wyoming and Dean Tacha at Pepperdine but Dean Morant at GW refused to speak with me through their PR person. The deans at the schools with the highest declines never even responded. No surprise there.

Should have an article on the deans' responses at associatesmind or abovethelaw in the next week or so.


I'm confused. Why do you expect deans at law schools with declining class sizes to decline to comment? Wouldn't you expect them to say: "Yeah we're doing the right thing for our students given this haggard legal market"

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Re: ABA 509 Matriculant Data on All Schools

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Fri Jan 02, 2015 6:03 am

Smh at GW. What a trap school




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