AntipodeanPhil wrote:TooOld4This wrote:I realize you are currently attending Harvard and really want this to be true, but for the vast majority it is not. V10 is only a "thing" in very specific circles and only gives you an edge in very specific types of law. Practicing attorneys know what is prestigious within their own fields, and to the degree they care about prestige, they use those yardsticks. The number of jobs where a UVA/V50 grad will be screened out and a Harvard V10 will sail through is extremely small and unlikely to be worth the debt.
Of course your exit options are going to largely depend on the practice area you join and the specific work you end up doing, and V50 firms have some practice areas that are as good or better than the same practice areas at V10 firms. But V10 firms obviously have more top practice areas, and better work overall. And maybe this guy will want a career in one of the "specific circles" in which simply have been at a V10 counts.
Sure, you can make this personal and attack me for having conflicted motivations, but -- given the tone of your response -- that sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.kaiser wrote:The overwhelming consensus from grads is that, if biglaw is your goal, CCN, or a lower T10 with big scholarship is FAR superior to HYS at sticker (though of course there are circumstances outside the biglaw context where HYS will be the right choice, even if the cost is far greater than other options)
Sure, the overwhelming consensus amongst grads who got the biglaw jobs they wanted.
I don't know a single person at my HYS that wanted biglaw and didn't get it, and I know a lot of people. Everyone I know who wanted NYC biglaw ended up at a V15.
And I can say the same about all the people I know at my CCN school (though I'd say V25, instead of V15, since it was a bit more spread around, though of course, lots of people at the very top tier of firms). Of course, its about marginal benefit vs. marginal cost. The problem is that many 0L's overstate the marginal benefit (which they have to estimate) vs. the sometimes substantial cost difference. This is particularly true in the biglaw context for many reasons:
1. Schools like Columbia and NYU will give you the same access to the same elite firms, and largely place into them at a similar rate. Not to say the rate is identical, but its not like they are worlds apart in this respect.
2. Biglaw firms are not like schools as far as "prestige" or trajectory. If you do amazing work at a V30 or V40, you can lateral into a top tier firm, or any number of other positions based on long term goals. The very same would be said for someone who does great work at a V15. At that point, the school you went to is far less important.