T2 vs. 2 T3s

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T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby jgrobmyer » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:27 pm

Mizzou vs. Washburn vs. Ole Miss

Total COA: Mizzou 90k, Ole Miss 87k, Washburn 60k (All of these assume 20k/y CoL, which may be lower, and also assumes no other scholarships than what was originally offered)

Will be using Stafford and GradPlus Loans, plus about a semester of GI Bill.

I'm from SE MO, and have strong ties to the area, but also have ties to KC and Memphis.

My career goals are smaller practices or small/medium city work, not entirely sure what area of law yet.

Numbers: 158/3.25

Taken LSAT once.

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby Gooner91 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:29 pm

I think people will tell you to retake.

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby Gooner91 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:30 pm

Gooner91 wrote:I think people will tell you to Good luck! Follow your dreams!.


haha April Fool's joke?


That should say r e t a k e...

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby PotLuck » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:31 pm

You should retake that LSAT. With a 170+ you are looking at T14s. With a 165+ you are looking at full rides to most T2s and some T1s. Even +2 points on the LSAT you would be sitting MUCH better.

As for schools, I wouldn't pick any on the list. They are too expensive when compared with their job numbers. Retake for T14>WUSTL (for the area) with $$$ >Full ride at flag ship)

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby ManoftheHour » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:32 pm

Retake.

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby ManoftheHour » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:32 pm

ManoftheHour wrote:Good luck! Follow your dreams!.


I had to try it.

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby jgrobmyer » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:36 pm

I don't buy into the whole T14 thing, as I'm not interested in BigLaw. And, for the most part, rankings have little to do with quality of education. It's a shame that a private dump of a magazine's rankings has this much control over law school admissions.

I should probably re-take (that's very funny), but I'm 35, and don't really want to wait another year.
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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:37 pm

retake

edit: lel

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby Gooner91 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:41 pm

jgrobmyer wrote:I don't buy into the whole T14 thing, as I'm not interested in BigLaw. And, for the most part, rankings have little to do with quality of education. It's a shame that a private dump of a magazine's rankings has this much control over law school admissions.

I should probably Good luck! Follow your dreams!, but I'm 35, and don't really want to wait another year.


You are going to have a hard time with the T14 because your GPA is kind of crappy. And since you are not interested in big law or prestigious PI there would not be much benefit for you. I think strong regional with good scholarship is the right answer for you. I was recommending you r e t a k e because it will give you better scholarships at the regional schools you are interested in.
I don't know much about the schools you posted, have you checked them out on LST?
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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby thevuch » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:41 pm

retake bro

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby thevuch » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:41 pm

what is happening

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby thevuch » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:42 pm

what is happening

i cant say r e t a k e lol

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby The Dark Shepard » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:43 pm

This is a funny April Fool's Day joke, but what if somebody takes this seriously when they would have seriously r e t o o k?

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby Mack.Hambleton » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:44 pm

thevuch wrote:what is happening

i cant say r e t a k e lol


APRIL FOOLS

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby TheSpanishMain » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:46 pm

jgrobmyer wrote:I don't buy into the whole T14 thing, as I'm not interested in BigLaw. And, for the most part, rankings have little to do with quality of education. It's a shame that a private dump of a magazine's rankings has this much control over law school admissions.

I should probably Good luck! Follow your dreams!, but I'm 35, and don't really want to wait another year.



Here's the thing: quality of education has very little to do with your ability to get a job. Most people would agree that any of these schools could teach you the law perfectly well: it's basically the same curriculum as at any of the T14. Rankings are borderline irrelevant, as are "tiers". It's all about whether a school actually puts the majority of it's graduates into legit legal jobs.

There's nothing wrong with attending a regional school in an area you have ties, but you need to do it at the right price. Know that if you find a job out of these schools, it's likely to be small law and will probably start you around 45k a year. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't want to live on 45k a year AND make payments on 90k in loans. R-e-t-a-k-i-n-g isn't just about getting into the T14. It's also about netting scholarship money.

Believe me, as someone who is at best ambivalent about Big Law, I know how annoying the "r-e-t-a-k-e, go to a T14" mantra can be. It's like some insane self justifying loop: you need a T14 to get Big Law, and you need Big Law (even though it sounds absolutely miserable) to pay your T14 loans. You should still r-e-t-a-k-e though. Your COAs are simply too high for those schools.

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby mt2165 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:47 pm

yeah please retake

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby mt2165 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:48 pm

mt2165 wrote:yeah please Good luck! Follow your dreams!


lol this is such a funny april fools joke I can't even deal

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby unodostres » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:48 pm

Lol retake!!!

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby JazzieShizzle » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:51 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote: R-e-t-a-k-i-n-g isn't just about getting into the T14. It's also about netting scholarship money.

OP, if you get nothing else out of this thread, please appreciate how true this is. ^^^^

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby ManoftheHour » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:59 pm

thevuch wrote:Good luck! Follow your dreams! bro


I feel like a huge dork for finding this incredibly funny.

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby ManoftheHour » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:00 pm

The Dark Shepard wrote:This is a funny April Fool's Day joke, but what if somebody takes this seriously when they would have seriously r e t o o k?


Then the joke is on that person who took out loans to go to a TTT.

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby KatyMarie » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:04 pm

From a quick glance, looks like Mizzou.

Re-taking would probably be best to get good money to a good regional, but check these out and see what you think:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=washburn

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=missouri

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=mississippi

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby PotLuck » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:06 pm

jgrobmyer wrote:I don't buy into the whole T14 thing, as I'm not interested in BigLaw. And, for the most part, rankings have little to do with quality of education. It's a shame that a private dump of a magazine's rankings has this much control over law school admissions.

I should probably re-take (that's very funny), but I'm 35, and don't really want to wait another year.


Its not the rankings that makes them good, its the reputation with firms. If you don't want biglaw that's fine, you should still re-take for scholarship. I know how you feel with age, I am older myself, however you shouldn't rush this decision as it is likely one of the most important in your life. One more year will pale in comparison to your many years practicing. I have a lot of friends that retook the LSAT and not one of them has ever expressed any regrets about it.

Even if you have your heart on the above schools thats fine, just go for free. Although I think WUSTL has a pretty solid rep in MO.

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby rickgrimes69 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:11 pm

I think you should ... take the LSAT again

or just retake

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Re: T2 vs. 2 T3s

Postby anyriotgirl » Tue Apr 01, 2014 3:13 pm

I hope that the advice to retake doesn't change back tomorrow



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